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Politics : John EDWARDS for President -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TopCat who wrote (420)	2/21/2004 7:49:35 PM
From: Lizzie Tudor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1381

It was obvious to me over 2 years ago that this offshoring crisis needed to be dealt with, or at minimum understood by the white house as a factor in policymaking. Trickle down stimulus doesn't work with offshoring like this, all the capital just gets invested offshore this is obvious and exactly what happened. We should have stopped tax cuts after the first cuts failed to work. Bush just carried on. Supply siders like Kudlow were calling for another "capex spending boom" totally missing the obvious fact that capex doesn't happen with no jobs. Press releases with "white house economists puzzled over lack of jobs creation" in this last year makes me wonder what planet these people are on. It was OBVIOUS 2 years ago that every job that was going to be created was going to be created in india and china. I was damn sure about it then, and that is exactly what happened. People like you that make excuses for this Bush misfire as if nobody could see where the economy was going while republicans doled out the pork are in some kind of massive denial. Go ahead and pull up posts from 2 years ago if you want, I said the same thing then.

To: TopCat who wrote (420)	2/21/2004 11:00:59 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1381

TC, Re: That's my problem with you people being so damn sure of yourselves. One thing that we are absolutely certain of is that 9/11 would not have happened under Gore's watch. Why? 1) Immediately upon taking office, George Bush ordered the FBI to stand down on investigations the FBI was conducting on the financing of Islamic charities. This trail was being followed by several agents, and one in particular, Richard Wright, has a law suit pending on his attempt to expose the interference of FBI management suppressing his investigations at the behest of the Bush Administration. 2) When passing the torch to the new National Security Advisor, Condoleeza Rice, Sandy Berger handed Ms. Rice a huge dossier on intelligence that the NSA had gathered on al Qaeda activities worldwide. Rather than acting upon this dossier and pursuing the enemy, Rice completely disregarded all the work that the Clinton team had put together, and she allowed Dick Cheney to organize a new sui generis group to investigate al Qaeda. This arrogant refusal to use the existing intel wasted precious months and the Cheney team was simply not up to speed in September, 2001. 3) During the summer of 2001, there was abundant chatter about a potential for a spectacular event to organized by al Qaeda. In Minneapolis, an FBI field agent named Colleen Rowley was working on the case of Zacharias Moussaoui, who had been arrested on a visa violation after spending time at a flight training center. She applied to her supervisor to get a FISA warrant issued in order to access the contents of Moussaoui's laptop computer. Her supervisor, David Frasca, refused this standard request, without explanation. As you probably have read, Moussaoui is considered to be the probable "20th" hi-jacker of 9/11. Shockingly, instead of firing Frasca, the FBI gave him a raise and a promotion after the tragedy of 9/11. If this isn't a red flag, I don't know what is. *** Sir, you start with a completely flawed premise by asking what Gore would have done in the aftermath of 9/11. Because if Gore had been elected, the NORAD/USAF folks would not have had the opportunity to stand down on 9/11 and let the tragedy occur. Cf.: standdown.net