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To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (17667)	2/22/2004 9:24:59 PM
From: John Chen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

Darfot,re:"Chindia..". Totally agree with you that America is on her way out. This happens according to the schedule on the BIBLE. "THE YELLOW SHALL RISE .. then the end of the world is coming". It's amazing the accuracy of the prediction, especially to one who don't believe in the stories in the Bible. With Bush's IQ and madness he has shown, the end of the world is right on schedule.

To: Wyätt Gwyön who wrote (17667)	2/22/2004 10:32:12 PM
From: Amy J	Respond to of 306849

Darfot, RE: "developer teams in US and India; Indians work much harder" After managing engineers in at least 6 different countries, would have to say your comment is a gross generalization of the situation. The real issue is: 1) volume of educated Indians coming online 2) India teaches calculus in grade 8, not grade 12. The above items are system issues, not individual issues. In response to the above, a) we need to improve our grade schools (so when our students get to college they are not at an int'l disadvantage) b) in other words, we need to improve our math and make calculus mandatory for every student or 80% at a minimum; we need to get at least 50% of the students taking calculus at grade 10; we need to merge grade 4 and grade 5 math together (in order to gain one year); we need to also consider improving grade 7 math and 8 math (to gain yet another year). c) we need to increase RND into universities d) we need to increase grants to graduate students to increase our volume here. there are too many highly intelligent people not getting phd's due to the cost. and increase grants to college students. e) we need to continue importing H1Bs here, rather than be forced to go overseas for certain phd's f) we need to close the schools that are ineffective and reroute students to a better school in that community. g) we need to ensure we continue our creative style and up that a tad, creativity is truly the USA's strong card. continue making school fun. provide a venue for students to grow their leadership and empowerment skills at earlier ages. change the image of science so that it's not just for geeks. h) make math and science games a mandatory course in kindergarten, separate from the actual math course given. some children do not even have an opportunity to play the more-math and science oriented games that more math & science-oriented children played. currently, kindergarten schools lean towards having girls play with barbie during recess. good grief. If we did all of the above, we would beat India's system. This is because we would increase our volume drastically as we encourage more students to move up the ladder. Remember, it's not the 1.5M students we need to look at, it's India's top foreign students our USA schools need to make sure we compete against as group. Loosely, If 50% of USA schools can compete with India's top 10%, then we win the volume game. I think we can successfully compete our grade schools here against theirs if we move more up the ladder here. Fortunately, our universities still are the best in the world. Regards, Amy J