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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (544039)	2/22/2004 11:30:58 PM
From: Srexley	Respond to of 769670

"There are plenty of human societies not to mention animals where the father plays no role after the sex act" Take a look at how well that works in the black community (and no, I am not a racist). But 70% are born out of wedlock, and somewhere in the neighborhood of 10% of the young black men die at the hands of other young black men. Our model works pretty well. Doesn't mean you have to get married. Just that marraige between a man and a woman is a good foundation for a sound society.

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (544039)	2/23/2004 12:04:07 PM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769670

You've reduced yourself to a game of semantics. Nope. You’ve reduced yourself to a game of intentional ignorance. I sense you actually understand my position and you even feel its truthfulness in you bones, and you hate it. Well you cannot avoid it. It is in you. Marriage does not produce offspring, sex does. This is false and the proof of it is that people have sex all the time that does not result in offspring. Sex is merely the means through which fundamental marriage occurs. I tell you again, marriage is in nature. It is not merely a piece of paper but an official recognition of the fact of nature. Ultimately, human marital union culminates in the union (marriage) of the biological information of exactly one man and exactly one woman. This marriage is known as humans. All human society is predicated upon it. All human experience depends upon it. All humanity is fundamentally defined by it. Marriage is literally us, and it simply does not and cannot apply to homosexuals. There are plenty of human societies not to mention animals where the father plays no role after the sex act. The father has simply abandoned his union. He has joined himself to a woman and failed to remain true. This is certainly no reason to demand anyone follow his example. As you point out, he acts like a friggin’ animal – and a society that allows his behavior will undoubtedly look like the society of a friggin’ animals. I am a human, with the knowledge that I am comprised of unchanging biological “mom and dad”. I therefore live like a human, not like a friggin’ brute beast who is ignorant of his identity in nature. But thanks anyway. Often the father never knows or sees its offspring. In non-mammals sometimes neither parent knows the child. That’s your problem. Because you so easily confuse yourself with ignorant beasts, you think yourself justified in aiming to force the entire country to enter into the same ridiculous confusion. It is disgusting, pal. Humans produce more children than they do families willing to nurture and raise them. That is because humans are ignorant of what they are in nature, so well have you deceived them into living like grub-eating savages. Having non-procreational families willing to raise these unwanted progeny of the sex act can easily be seen as a good strategy for the survival of our species. Well there is certainly no evidence that this even takes place, especially since these families do not pro-create. It is reasonable to posit that they do not pro-create for a reason, namely, because they do not wish to have children… duh. HhhhhhhellllOoooo? So your appeal to biology fails. It stands as inexorably true as ever, and you know it. You even feel it in you, but like all condemned heathens you will continue to recklessly suppress it. You have no excuse at all for what is about to happen to you-- not a single excuse.