To: Orcastraiter who wrote (544051 ) 2/23/2004 11:56:48 AM From: Johannes Pilch Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670 Allow gay marriage, or civil union, but exclude any spousal benefits. Would that make you happy? I sincerely do not care if they wish to “marry.” I only care about being forced by law to recognize it in any way, including spousal benefits or anything else. I must reserve the right to discriminate against definitions that are patently not me, or you or any other human.And now you allow for more than one god. Helps explain the parts of the world that are disagreeable to you: Nope. If you will read my post with integrity, you will see I reject the existence of this god you mention. He exists only for you, which for me is not at all.Are you saying that god had no part of creating the gay individuals in the world? I am saying that I cannot so much as discuss God with you because you cannot ever so much as hope to know Him. So, we must deal in what you can know – nature. In nature, crap happens. That is why homosexuals exist.What about someone that rigidly opposes anything or anyone that is different, or defective as you put it. Is your god supportive of that kind of hatred and indifference? If someone refuses to turn away from his abominable behavior and beliefs, to instead call the most contemptible things “good,” as homosexuals and leftists constantly do, that person is indeed hated and will be destroyed. God will not weep for those who are cast into the Pit. I wish to have nothing to do with such people, lest I enable them in their evil and incur blame for it."The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked; The enemy that sowed the tares is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." --Jesus, the Christ, quoted in Matthew 13:38-42 You asked, I told you. You need not believe it. I’m not trying to convert you at all. Please continue on your way, trusting a faithless god who thinks homosexuality and abortion are good and highly useful tools of "life".Clearly there are people that exhibit gay behavior that fall into different categories. There are people that are created gay. For example a man that is geneticly disposed to exhibit feminine traits at a very young age. Clearly this is not learned behavior. There is no “clearly” about this. You have not a shred of valid evidence to show homosexuality is not learned or at least shaped by external events. Let us not be so uncritical of the evidence. Leftists lie much too much for that. Then of course there are gay people that do it simply to be rebellious, who's sexual orientation may not be gay, but those individuals that wish to be naughty as it were. And you really have no way at all to know who is really homosexual and who is, as you put it, “naughty.” The fact is, they are all “naughty.” But we can know without any doubt at all who is heterosexual. Everyone is.I guess your god never creates any defect. He's perfect. He defines the word.So perfect that he created you to be the vanguard of his vanity, Nope. I am not here to discuss with you anything about God’s Nature. If I mention the true God, I will simply tell you without discussion what the Scriptures declare of Him. We are long past discussions of God. Speaking to you about such things would truly be like taking pearls and throwing them into a pig’s pen. God can take care of Himself. I am only here to make the case for having not one thing to do with the evil you are unleashing across this country.and to extinguish, revile, impound and eliminate any such individual which somehow has arrived here on earth and is not up to your standard. Oh please. Such obvious dishonor. You know I have not said anything about my extinguishing or eliminating anyone who “doesn’t meet my standard.” I care only about one thing, and you ought by now to know what that is.What a good and thoughtful god you have. The notion of God is something with which you have not one thing to do. So I cannot possibly discuss it with you.