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To: Gordon A. Langston who wrote (544144)2/23/2004 12:37:37 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670
 
as IF there is any sanctitiy to the current institution of marriage anyway....if people love each other THAT IS ENOUGH...head over to the great Chapels of Vegas or look to the GRAND STATISTICS of MARRIAGE in this country....they stink.....anyone that really WANTS to be married should be.....those opposing need to go back to their support of illegal MARRIAGES BETWEEN RACES......that was only a few decades ago....THEY ARE the CURRENT CHRISTIAN MOVEMENT'S TYPICAL HYPOCRITES............
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To: Gordon A. Langston who wrote (544144)2/23/2004 12:41:22 PM
From: Skywatcher  Respond to of 769670
 
Family Values
By Becky O'Malley, Berkeley Daily Planet
February 22, 2004

Today, Feb. 17, my parents have been married for 65 years. They are
still living in their home by themselves, at 89 and 91. Our family is very
lucky to have them still with us, still in good spirits and relatively good
health.

We appreciate all they've done for us, and for others, during their long
life together.

One of the nice things about growing up with two parents like mine was
that they introduced their offspring to many different ways of enjoying
life.

From my father, I learned to love music. Most nights when my sister and
I were little, after he came back from serving in the Navy in World War
II, he sang us to sleep with the deep bass voice that had made him a
valued member of his undergraduate glee club. The repertoire didn't
vary much, though it was democratically mixed: popular ditties from the
'20s and '30s, college fight songs, spirituals, operetta standards, and
always Brahms' Lullaby as the finale.

From my mother, I learned to love words. She knew about all the best
children's authors of the era: Milne, White, Travers. When I got older,
she'd read aloud with me from favorite poets. I particularly enjoyed our
dramatic reading of Robert Browning's poetic thriller,"My Last
Duchess." A high point of the week for both of us was the day the
mailman brought "The New Yorker." My mother went right for the short
stories, while I started off with cartoons but eventually moved on to the
hard stuff. She also knew the best places to get used books, so we read
lovely illustrated editions of all the 19th and early 20th century classics:
Alcott, Hawthorne, Cooper, Scott, Dickens…

My mother has always known the best places to get everything to enrich
life. She follows, without doing it consciously, William Morris's dictum
"have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be useful, or
believe to be beautiful," but her ace in the hole is that she's very good at
finding what she believes to be beautiful at bargain rates. My childhood
trips with her to "Father Dempsey's" thrift emporium taught me that you
can turn your living space into a personal art gallery on any budget. She
still loves to go to a garage sale of a Sunday.

My father liked outdoor excursions too when my sister and I were
growing up, but nature walks rather than garage sales. He showed us
the interesting things you can see on any outdoor path at a child's level:
the way acorns come apart, and what caterpillars are up to.

My parents set a good example for their children; both my sister and I
have been happily married for more than 40 years. We can testify to the
many joys of a stable family life. My parents still take care of one
another every day, and often, still, of their children, their grandchildren,
and now their great-grandchildren.

That's what marriage is all about, in the end, people taking care of other
people. Love helps, and of course passion (which is not the same as
love) gets things off to a rousing start. But what marriage really means is
that adults have voluntarily accepted the duty of looking after one
another and of bringing up children if they have them. Many religions,
including the Christian church, have traditionally viewed marital promises
as being made by the spouses to one another, sometimes blessed by the
approval of a priest or a congregation, but valid with or without the
participation of the state.

When people agree to take on additional responsibilities to one another
by marrying, the community as a whole benefits. That's why
governments have historically conferred special privileges on those who
are willing to get married, providing them with stable rules for property
ownership, inheritance and tax benefits. Many countries such as France
have two ceremonies, one in church and the other at city hall, to
recognize the dual nature of marriage.

Of course people sometimes take care of one another even without
marriage. Families, whether or not they are state-sanctioned, take care
of each other much of the time. Friends do look out for friends, whether
or not they've promised to do so. But the distinctive thing about the
marriage contract is that it's both voluntary (unlike families) and intended
to be binding (unlike friendships).

Until recently, the most obvious benefit of conventional marriage to the
rest of society was that two grown-ups signed up in advance to raise the
kids of the next generation. Religious groups have been wary about
trusting members of other religions to do this important job, so they've
often put barriers in the way of "mixed marriages." When my parents
were married in 1939, they couldn't be married in church, because my
mother was a Catholic and my father was not, though a priest did agree
to marry them in my grandparents' home.

By the time I got married 21 years later, Catholics had dropped the rule
against church weddings, but there were still state-enforced prohibitions
of racially "mixed marriages." Not until 1967 did the U.S. Supreme
Court outlaw "statutory schemes to prevent marriages between persons
solely on the basis of racial classifications."

Times change. Children in the upcoming generation of American families
like ours have ancestors from Africa and Asia as well as from Europe.
Their parents have gotten married in multi-religious or non-religious
ceremonies. And 30 more years out, our descendants will be amazed to
learn that it was once considered to be in the public interest to prevent
consenting adults from promising to take care of one another, just
because of what they do or don't do in their bedrooms. Statutory
schemes to prevent marriages between persons solely on the basis of
gender classifications will then seem as absurd as the unconstitutional
laws against racially mixed marriages do now.

With the widespread availability of birth control, children are no longer
considered an inevitable result of marriage, even when partners are of
different genders. People who won't have children to take care of them
in their old age need, even more, to make sure that someone has signed
up for the job. It's not safe, in the age of Bush and Schwarzenegger,
with managed care, attacks on Medicare, falling stock values, and
looted pension funds in the news, to rely on government to provide a
safety net.

But when children are part of the plan, it's even clearer that any kind of
marriage prohibition is foolish. Those who want to conceive children can
do so with or without marriage, but it's in the best interest of society to
do everything possible to encourage those who want to become parents
to find partners to help with the job. Religious groups, under our
constitution, are allowed to have all kinds of silly rules about which
marriages they bless, but we should expect more from the government.
There is no good public policy reason for the state to dictate what the
sexual relationship between parental partners needs to be.

My parents are different kinds of people, and that made them more
creative and interesting parents, but the fact that one is a man and the
other is a woman was not the most important difference between them.
Every child deserves parents like mine. Many children have been
successfully raised by single parents, but children are who come into the
world, as I did, with two fine though different people already signed up
to educate them about life and its pleasures, are very fortunate.

The new mayor of San Francisco has gotten a lot of praise for removing
marriage barriers for same-sex couples, and he deserves it. There's no
reason for the mayors of all U.S. cities not to do the same.

Becky O'Malley is executive editor of the Daily Planet.

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To: Gordon A. Langston who wrote (544144)2/23/2004 12:44:57 PM
From: Kevin Rose  Respond to of 769670
 
I think that anyone attempting to mess with the first 10 amendments would find very little support. In essence, they are somewhat 'sacred'.

However, you have hit on the problematic one: the 2nd. On the contrary, it is very vague and ambiguous. Will the SC finally clarify it? I'm not sure; the SC, for all their power, are a pretty timid lot...I guess that's better than being power hungry.