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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (125402)3/1/2004 2:11:42 PM
From: Neocon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
"Politics stops at the water's edge" has nothing to do with ceasing to discuss relevant issues, it has to do with muting partisanship. By the way, the last sentence is a load of manure. I am trying to explain how we do it in the United States, something you seem to know little about......



To: Maurice Winn who wrote (125402)3/2/2004 11:59:41 AM
From: carranza2  Respond to of 281500
 
In an increasingly interconnected world, politics won't stop at the water's edge.

The 'water's edge' point was first made by Senator Vandenberg of Michigan, one of the initial and most influential supporters of the Marshall Plan. It is mean to signify the notion that when the nation's interests are at stake internationally, domestic political considerations should be given short shrift.

Senator Arthur Vandenberg delivered a celebrated "speech heard round the world" in the Senate chamber on January 10, 1945, announcing his conversion from isolationism to internationalism. He called on America to assume the responsibilities of world leadership and endorsed the creation of the United Nations. Previously, Vandenberg had been a leading proponent of isolationism, determined to keep the United States out of another world war, but the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor caused him to reassess his position. During the Second World War, he grappled with the potential international role for the United States in the postwar world. In 1947, at the start of the Cold War, Vandenberg became chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. In that position, he cooperated with the Truman administration in forging bipartisan support for the Truman Doctrine, the Marshall Plan, and NATO – the first mutual defense treaty that the United States had entered since its alliance with France during the American Revolution. Asserting that "politics stops at the water's edge," Vandenberg's Senate career stands as a monument to the benefits of bipartisanship in American foreign policy.

I agree with you point that politics no longer stops at the water's edge as originally proposed by Vandenberg, though it may be that the standard for living up to it has been raised a bit. We saw some evidence of its continued viability in the approval given by the Senate to the Iraq invasion. While the Senate was more or less united in support of Bush, suggesting that domestic considerations were then set aside, the rancorous post-invasion domestic political script is only now being written on the shore side of the water.