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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (46849)	3/1/2004 8:05:51 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

Remove the subsidies to citizens that the crowds stop pouring in. MQ, those egalitarian matriarcal societies need to stop taxing their citizens to distribute income to the ones that vote them into power. Stop that, and the crowds stop pouring in. But I suspect they want to keep the subsidies and close the door.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (46849)	3/1/2004 9:16:37 PM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

MQ, the practice of use asylum seekers to do the dirty jobs is also harmful. The US doesn't get people -in North America only Canada does- as asylum seekers to do their dirty jobs. The US uses illegal immigrants to do that. Europeans, New Zealanders and Australians get asylum seekers to do the jobs shunned by the locals and get labelled as charitable.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (46849)	3/2/2004 9:25:51 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Maurice, NZ has some formidable natural barriers to entry. I don't see what your problems could be. Most likely it is a vision thing. If NZ and/or the USA opened its borders to all, there would instantly be several billion people ready to move in. Obiously we would not think that would be a great idea. The bottom line - it becomes a vision thing. How do you control the situation such that there is a net benefit. First and foremost your own country's best interest has to come first. Secondarily the immigrant's . Asylum seekers are a special case - if they are relatively small in number. Otherwise they would have to wait in line with the others. Last, the impact it has on the rest of the world. In the US, the problem is largely with Mexico. The disparity between the two economies is just too big. There is no reason for this disparity. In my opinion, the problem is caused by Mexico's ruling class. For all kinds of reasons, they think more highly of themselves and feel a sense of entitlement. They feel they work harder, have better education, contributed more to their society and are generally more civilized. Does this all sound too familiar to you? Mary