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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (46881)	3/2/2004 4:09:11 PM
From: Condor	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

They seek all the benefits of full citizenship for their children. As did the ancestors of Ray and Mary. Nothing wrong with that motivation. They come, they see, they want, deservedly or undeservedly just as children and descendants expect it all without earning it. C

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (46881)	3/2/2004 8:09:29 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

How many children have you had Raymond?

To: Raymond Duray who wrote (46881)	3/3/2004 10:04:39 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

<<< The maternity ward is where huge numbers of immigrant women end up. And it is not just a free public education they seek. They seek all the benefits of full citizenship for their children.>>> I'm willing to bet that if you were to add up all benefits paid out to immigrants who find loop holes in our welfare system, the number will be tiny, almost insignificant when compared to other areas of waste and malfeasence. I'm willing to bet that Richard Grasso's pay could pay for all the illegal immigrants maternity expenses. But, it is much easier to be angry and outraged with illegal immigrants who have babies and find tiny loopholes in our welfare system. I am for closing all loopholes. But there are signifcant loopholes and there are insignificant loopholes. Let's concentrate on the major loopholes - where the real money is being wasted. Let's not get emotional about this. It's about dollars and cents. It can be measured. Mary