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To: goldworldnet who wrote (547801)	3/3/2004 2:21:44 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

"Karen was a remarkable person." >>> I'm glad to hear that... women are the best of us. "I can’t support gay marriage, but it is not hard to see that is where we are headed." >>> The future is yet unwritten.... "I think it is important to point out though that cultures that embrace homosexuality don’t fair well." >>> I suppose it's possible... (do you mean Athens --- when they were conquered by Sparta? That's a long way to go for a historical example... and even it doesn't prove any co-relation.) >>> Aren't there examples of the opposite, too? Nations that enshrine bigotry and discrimination... say, Nazi Germany, or Stalin's USSR, or any number of little 'tin pot' dictatorships across Latin America or in the Middle East, have also demonstrated, I believe, that social discrimination is not a viable long-term policy. >>> Or, at least the optimist in me believes so.

To: goldworldnet who wrote (547801)	3/3/2004 2:42:29 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Gold, re: "I think it is important to point out though that cultures that embrace homosexuality don’t fair well." There are some biblical images that support that, as well as the image of Roman decadence. There are other images, however, that should be instructive and counsel the opposite. If you examine those cultures characterized by intolerance, you'll find nothing to cheer about. Look at the change of Germany from an enlightened, tolerant society that tolerated Jews, artists and "new" thinking in the pre-ww1 era, to one that was intolerant and very "right thinking." Think about the Arab cultures. They were once among the most enduring, successful and innovative in the world. With their religiously inspired intolerance and rigid beliefs in one way of "right and wrong," they have become stagnant, failed societies with an inability to change with changing times. I think societies that are more open will eventually stumble onto the best way of protecting freedoms and creating prosperity. If you disagree, remember that throughout most of the past, in most of the world, the lifestyle you live today would NOT have been permitted. Where we are talking about the "marriage" of those who choose to live differently, and where that "marriage" is between consenting adults, does not harm the innocent and has only tiny impacts upon the way the rest of us want to live our lives, I'd prefer that we butt out.