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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (46941)	3/3/2004 8:33:04 PM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 74559

<<old people dying poor after living a life of working and paying taxes and living on little>> Oh! Suddenly the problem is not hoiking anymore. It is they coming to get the goodies? I know for a long time that is only locals jealous of the goodies being shared the newcomers. The best chance for the old people in the developed world is for the immigrants to come and produce a surplus to help them out! And it is going to happen and there is no alternative. You haven't lived a life on little as an expat for the oil business. Neither you're poor. Why are you OK and why are the other old people not OK. Can you articulate that?

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (46941)	3/4/2004 9:11:59 AM
From: Mary Cluney	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<<<it's true that mistakes would be made as to who should get a citizenship and who shouldn't, but we are making even bigger mistakes now>>> To start a system that you know is not elegant and not close to being airtight is worse than having no system at all. A flawed system is an open invitation for all the scoundrels to come in and manipulate that system to suit their own agenda. Only now, they can hide behind the system and hide their real agenda. <<< The injustice of old people dying poor after living a life of working and paying taxes and living on little while umpty $$billions in public assets they created are taken over by newbies is a far bigger mistake.>>> Why do you think newbies are responsible for all this injustice? I thought your thinking process was more rigorous than that. I am disappointed. Mary