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To: Road Walker who wrote (184184)	3/5/2004 12:24:50 PM
From: hmaly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575939

John Re..."Families are enraged," said Bill Doyle, 57, of New York, who is active in several Sept. 11 family groups. "What I think is distasteful is that the president is trying to use 9/11 as a springboard for his re-election." "It's entirely wrong. He's had 3,500 deaths on his watch, including Iraq (news - web sites)," said Doyle, whose 25-year-old son Joseph died at the trade center. Call me stupid, but I think the dems criticisms of those ads will go over as good as Rooney's criticisms of Gibson. First of all, I saw the adds, and none were negative adds. Which is a refreshing change from what the dems said they would be. Secondly, Guliani is right, 9/11 is part of GW's record, and the pres. has every right to run on that record. It is amazing how the dems want to discuss GW's natl guard record, in ALA. 30 yrs ago, and they don't want to discuss, GW's record, as president. The hyprocrisy smells to high heaven, and my guess, that tack will hurt the dems in the long run. Ron Willett of Walnut Shade, Missouri, said he was disgusted when he saw the ads. Willett, who lost his 29-year-old son, John Charles, said he is now so upset, "I would vote for Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) before I would vote for Bush." LOL He would take Saddam over GW, huh? Perhaps we should send him to Iraq, and let him tell the people of Iraq, how good they had it. If this reporter thought words like that help the dems. forget it. Sure there are kooks out there who might think like that, but does the democratic party want to embrace people in the far left, with opinions like that. Your mantra should be inclusion of the mainstream, not exclusion. The International Association of Fire Fighters, which has endorsed and campaigned for Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites), denounced the spots as "hypocrisy at its worst." "I'm disappointed but not surprised that the president would try to trade on the heroism of those fire fighters," the union's general president, Harold Schaitberger, said. Once again, in the adds I saw, I saw 4 fire fighters carrying out a coffin with a flag over it. This was presumably some time after the bldgs came down, and didn't show any firefighters doing anything especially heroic. So the criticisms are shallow, and self centered.

To: Road Walker who wrote (184184)	3/5/2004 12:58:41 PM
From: Tenchusatsu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575939

JF, from the article: Rudolph Giuliani, the Republican who was mayor of New York when the attacks occurred, issued a statement through the Bush-Cheney campaign defending the ads. "His leadership on that day is central to his record and his continued leadership is critical to our ultimate success against world terrorism," Giuliani said. Bush campaign spokesman Terry Holt said the campaign will not withdraw the ads. Good for them. Let people decide for themselves, much as they decided for themselves whether "Passion" was anti-Semitic or not. Tenchusatsu

To: Road Walker who wrote (184184)	3/5/2004 1:04:54 PM
From: The Duke of URL©	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1575939

The is something almost "pre-symbolic" about the reaction. Presymbolism or presymbolic utterance is the belief that words sometimes have a meaning beyond the dictionary definition. (The chief proponent of which is the late S.I. Hayakawa) It means that the combination of words may cannote an emotion or the expression or an emotion rather than the literal meaning. Whatever the reason, the message of the $10MM Bush add campaign is now lost. By the time people like Himaly and Russ Limbaugh get through 'defending' it, the country has already moved on. It might be a cleverly crafted Democratic phycological counter offensive but I don't think they are that smart. They don't have Rove or McConnel or the perfected thought control mindset. That leaves the possible emotion reaction that is a subconcious expression of understanding that 9/11 justifies a lot of things, but it does not justify disingenuity and lack of foresight or economic stupidity. The Duke has approved this message.