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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (125686)	3/5/2004 11:56:21 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<<Betrayed by Europe: An Expatriate’s Lament -Nidra Poller >>> I dont know Nadine, I just dont know- sounds like one of those educated city girls to me. Probably never experienced the true American adventures that make us so unique. Never sat on the sand in a wet bathing suit on the Lake Michigan shore cooking marshmallows on a stick when the temperature is 58 degrees. Never stood barefoot on the squishy muddy bottom of a stream catching trout with live worms, while hundreds of mosquitoes eat you alive and salamanders crawl over your toes. Probably dont know how to kill a chicken or milk a cow. Tell her to come back and live a little, get way from it all. Eating in those French restaurants can ruin your stomach- they use those scenes in anti-acid ads. Just trying to help. Sig

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (125686)	3/6/2004 3:28:25 AM
From: FaultLine	Respond to of 281500

Hello Nadine, I just came across this very interesting essay and I thought you'd like to see it: And you were right! Thanks for the post. --fl

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (125686)	3/6/2004 7:56:26 AM
From: John Carragher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

How could she ever leave Brookline for Paris. No more Fenway park, Bruins, Red Sox. Boston Pops on 4th of July. Charlie on the mta, boston market and Scully Square. What took her so long to wake up?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (125686)	3/6/2004 8:23:14 AM
From: NightOwl	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine, Is it just me ...or does it take everyone an hour to read your referenced articles? <g> But I have to admit. This one was well worth it. ...Painfull, but well worth it. I know I don't have to tell you this but, for me, the frustrations Poller discloses are in fact what it means to live in large social groups. It isn't just the history of Le Nouvel Observateur which is being buried from one day to the next. Is there any question that the family which fled Budapest and Przemysl before WWI couldn't have written of identical frustration and concerns? As much as I would like to "feel" the optimism most people seem to hold, every time I hear a "Can't we all just get along?" or "Never again!" or "All for one and one for all!" or yes even "Land of the free and home of the brave." I just want to scream. I don't of course. But I certainly want to scream. I mean really. How can we possibly write a "happy ending" to this story? Watching the human drama play out across history is like treading water in the center of an ever expanding body of water. We began in a pond and now we're surrounded by ocean. With ever greater expertise we ply the waves, but reaching shore is not just out of the question, it is completely out of our thoughts. The "promised land" has become a collective myth. We wouldn't know what to do with it if we accidently bumped into it. As indicated, picking up and leaving "home" may well be tough. But giving up the suspicion, distrust, selfishness, discrimination, hatred, etc... that both spur us on to "escape" and conspire to make that "escape" necessary would literally require nonhuman strength. I find scant profit in screaming. Others may, but I seem to swallow too much salt water that way. I find it better to just paddle along telling jokes as I go. ...Although I suppose it wouldn't hurt to pack a spear gun. Purely for defensive purposes of course. <vbg> ...We'll worry about defining "defensive" when we get there. <Hoo><Hoo><Hughhhhhh> 0\|0

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (125686)	3/6/2004 2:27:23 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 281500

Oh no, not again. Twice in a century oughta be enough. Give me empire, my dear Yanks. Come over here and colonize this place so that I can put my suitcases back on top of the closet, keep my swishes and furbelows, my fanfreluches and baubles, my adopted family jewels and Continental airs, and live to a ripe old age here in the center of Paris, in the middle of nowhere. Come home, old lady, we've got a zillion safe peaceful little towns over here, though nobody'll mistake 'em for Paree.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (125686)	3/6/2004 2:57:12 PM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Respond to of 281500

>>> Betrayed by Europe: An Expatriate’s Lament An interesting find... thanks for the pointer and copy of the text. In fact quite a few French expatriates working here in the US have expressed a certain exasperation at some of the aspects of France that Nidra mentions in her article. I imagine this is one of the reason's they're here and not still in France (though the real dream of French expats is to make the kind of salaries you make here and live in France !) I do want to mention one thing though : Homes and businesses washed out for the fourth time in three years. Happily my friends (and their relatives in France) have thus far escaped such damage, but I've seen a number of news reports on these flood events, and it's a horrible thing to lose one's belongings like this. And regardless of the finger pointing that will follow such events, it'll never bring back one's personal belongings that have been lost in such disasters.