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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (368)	3/5/2004 8:26:49 PM
From: laura_bush	Respond to of 1017

You're a moron, Lazarus Long. LMAO. "lb"

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (368)	3/5/2004 9:01:22 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1017

No proof any Sudanese offer was made "according to Erwa". Who the hell is Erwa? I watched Fox News panel debate this subject and the consensus was that Clinton and Berger never heard about the offer. It was too low level and never made it out of Yemen. It may never have even happened. Berger has denied any such offer reached his ears. You guys have no evidence whatsoever. It's all a rightwing fabrication to absolve Bush from blame for 9-11, which he warned about but did nothing. Also, by 9-11 Clinton was out of power for ten months. Bush never mentioned publicly terrorism his entire first 10 months in power. Once again, he was AWOL when it counted.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (368)	3/6/2004 7:46:42 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1017

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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (368)	3/6/2004 12:50:58 PM
From: PartyTime	Respond to of 1017

Congratulations, Laz! It's good to see an opposite viewpoint that's sporting not only a quality opinion, but referenced as well. I'm waiting for someone to publish a paper entitled "The Lewinsky Effects on Iraq." Consider how much distraction the 60 to 70 million dollar Whitewater Investigation and GOPwinger Monicarization of the nation played on the Clinton presidency. To blame Clinton, and those who tried to defend him, for bad moves on Iraq is ridiculous. How could he and they not make bad moves with respect to Iraq? The Lewinsky affair had the effect of backing Clinton into a corner whereby he had to have been looking for all kinds of outs, including a neocon appeasement as an option. During this period, GOPwinger pressure on Iraq was tremendous, together with important regional gas pipeline deals under consideration involving GOP favfabs, Unocal and Enron. >>> From 1997 to as late as August 2001, the U.S. government continued to negotiate with the Taliban, trying to find a stabilizing factor that would allow American oil ventures to proceed with this project without interference. To this end, in December 1997, Unocal invited a Taliban contingency to Texas to negotiate protection while the pipeline was under construction. At the end of their stay, the Afghan visitors were invited to Washington to meet with officials of the Clinton Administration.<<< Clinton, frankly, could not afford to look bad bumbling both the Monica incident and his dealing with Iraq. Popular percepton at the time was heavy everywhere that Saddam was bogeyman. Clinton, thus, was forced into a tougher stances on Iraq, positions more in line with GOPwinger want. Then comes Bush: >>> While lobbying India, it appears that the Bush Administration was also raising the heat on the Taliban to allow the pipeline. The book "Bin Laden: the Forbidden Truth" by Jean-Charles Brisard and Guillaume Dasique, claims that the U.S. tried to negotiate the pipeline deal with the Taliban as late as August, 2001. According to the authors, the Bush Administration attempted to get the Taliban on board and believed they could depend upon the regime to stabilize the country while the pipeline construction was underway. Bush had already indirectly given the Taliban $43 million for its ostensible efforts to stamp out opium-poppy cultivation. Numerous pundits decried this "award" at the time it took place; in light of current circumstances, it's worth considering that the aid was not an award at all, but a bribe.<<< >>> Lay's last documented e-mail was sent on August 27th, about the same time the Taliban allowed the International Red Cross to visit jailed foreign aid workers in Afghanistan. In it, Lay waxes optimistic about the strength and stability of his company, and exhorts his employees to buy into the company's stock program. This exhortation has been portrayed as an act of unmitigated meanspiritedness, sending his employees over the cliff for no good reason. But if Lay was anticipating a new pipeline deal, and an Enron contract, courtesy of George W. Bush, then he had reason to be optimistic about the future. (But not enough reason, of course, to stop him from selling his own stock and parachuting away. The risks would always be borne by others).<<< Laz, you've got to remember that everybody's been hoodwinked on Iraq, including Democrats. But also consider what power has been the driving force behind Iraq policy? The mistakes with Iraq (not knowing what's really going on or pretending something else was going on) and the mistakes with Afghanistan (the secret pipeline negotiations) are clearly GOPwinger-induced. NOTE: Excerpts are from: freezerbox.com