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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45709)	3/9/2004 12:54:06 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 50167

Hi Iqbal, Thanks for the thoughtful exposition of you thoughts in your latest. I must take exception to one conclusion you seem to have erroneously reached. Re: your natural inclinations to support Alqaeda or Mahajourooun I have neither natural inclinations, nor do I support "Al Qaeda or whatever the term "Mahajourooun" means. (A Google search did not match an documents, and I've never seen the term before.) I do not support religious fundamentalism of any strip. I'm equally opposed to the superstitions and misconceptions of any religious fanatic. As I've matured, I've found that my beliefs about religion have grown to more and more resemble those which guided the Enlightenment and the turn to secularism and rational scientific inquiry as a replacement for dogma, mysticism and superstition. That's why I equally oppose the growth of an aberration of the Islamic faith as represented by the medievalist Wahabbi sect and the violent extension of this cult in the form of the Al Qaeda group, as well as the Christian fundamentalism that is unfortunately having such a wicked impact that Bush Administration.

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45709)	3/9/2004 7:25:21 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 50167

Hi Iqbal, I don't know if you're following this subject on SI, but pursuant to our prior conversation about my antipathy for fundamentalist religious fanatics, here's a lead to an article that has some very disturbing suggestions about a very dark theory of the tragedy of 9/11. Message 19896835 If this Israeli terrorist thing pans out, and it ought to after the Lavon Affair in Egypt, the false flag operations in Baghdad in years when Mossad murdered Sephardic Jews in order to destroy comfortable Judaic-Islamic relations in Baghdad, cf.: us-israel.org not to mention the bombings of certain nightclubs in Germany which the Mossad was able to pin on Libya..... We could go on. But I think you and I have a common enemy, Ike. I as the secularist, ex-Christian, and you as a man coming from the Islamic tradition. And that common enemy is an evil force which has as its motto: "By deception, thou shalt wage war." Could it be that we need to form a natural alliance to defend ourselves and our cultures against the depredations of the crazy, paranoid kooks of Mossad? They were dancing on the tops of their vans when the Twin Towers were burning. Oh, the Joy! One step closer to Armageddon and the Greater Israel! So, these guys really are nuts. We need to reign them in, instead of having a pretend-a-president like George Bush placating and pushing for the Mossad objectives. Certainly they do no one any good other than that select bunch of nutcases who label themselves "the chosen ones". The "chosen ones" seem to be more or less a bunch of self-dealing hypocrites. Here's my favorite story of the morning: quicken.com I find this hysterically funny. Not only are the Bush/Cheney people so f*cking greedy that they are exstatic to empty the U.S. Treasury, steal all of Iraq's oil, but they also want to cheat the sub-contractors. This is just too rich. <vbg> And in the meantime, Bush's partners in crime, the Mossad folks, talk about how "destabilizing" it would be to end settlements in Gaza before the U.S. elections. This is just getting to be too funny for words.

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (45709)	3/11/2004 9:27:58 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 50167

<“If you have the backing of the West and the United States, you will be able to achieve in a few years what you could not achieve in fifty,” son of Libyan leader Moamer Gaddafi.>> Washington and London promised Libya it would reap political, economic and military “gains” if it dismantled its programmes of weapons of mass destruction, according to the son of Libyan leader Moamer Gaddafi. Saif ul-Islam Gaddafi told on Wednesday’s Al-Hayat newspaper that Libya’s decision last December to dismantle its weapons programmes was taken after nine months of secret negotiations with the United States and Britain. “If we want to be accurate in regards to the weapons of mass destruction, the largest part (of the agreement) was completed in secret talks that lasted nine months between the US, British and Libyan intelligence services, before the war on Iraq,” he said. “The Libyan decision was due to three reasons that I disclose for the first time. The first reason is the political, economic, cultural and military gains that were promised by the Western party with whom we were negotiating; the temptation was really great.” “The second reason was that our problems with the West were a danger for us. So, if the West tells us it does not to fight us and wants instead to build a partnership with us, why should we insist on being hostile to it? “Third, and that’s the main reason: we were developing weapons in preparation for a battle with the enemy. Then we saw that the Palestinians have achieved in five years of negotiations (with Israel) more than 50 years of armed struggle from Beirut, Tunis and Amman,” he said. Gaddafi’s son did not name the “enemy” targeted by Libya’s weapons programmes, but it was understood from the text that he was referring to Israel. “Add to all this the fact that the leader (Moamer Gaddafi) had felt that the Arabs are exploiting him, mocking him and threatening him with the US card, he said. “The leader concluded that if this problem is solved, Libya will end its international isolation and become a dialogue partner to the powerful nations, and that it could work with them to change the Arab situation.” “If you have the backing of the West and the United States, you will be able to achieve in a few years what you could not achieve in fifty,” he said. —AFP