To: Road Walker who wrote (184432 ) 3/9/2004 10:48:28 PM From: Tenchusatsu Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572779 JF, It was never "charity", it was always a social program. I have seen many confuse social programs with charity, or more common, the elimination or reform of that program with a lack of charity. Just ask Ted, who thinks anyone who wants to shrink Social Security or welfare is being "un-Christian."You propose a Pollyanna alternative where all the Christians are going to support their parents. This has little to do with Christianity or religion, for many non-Christian societies have done well without Social Security. But it does have a lot to do with culture, hence the reason why you might think I'm trying to push my Christian beliefs onto others.What you propose might work in a village. It doesn't work in a modern, complex, overcrowded urban society. OK, good point. I guess at one time families were also responsible for educating their own children, but now we have state-sponsored schools and colleges for that (though the indoctrination that goes on there is another problem).I understand your point, and it's a great utopian dream. But it's just a dream. No, you're right. It's not even a "utopia" that I'm arguing for, though. Rather, I'm advocating a reform of the culture, one that truly embodies the words of JFK (Kennedy, not Kerry), "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Maybe if we have more active participation from American citizens in all aspects of society, from Federal government to grassroots organizations, we'd have less of an entitlement mentality and fewer demands for more, more, more on the backs of the "rich." I still say the decline of morals in our society is leading to a corruption in our culture, and that the expansion of social programs only masks the symptoms of that problem. But I agree it is a stretch to equate Social Security with the lack of said morals. Tenchusatsu