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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (125875)	3/10/2004 3:17:44 PM
From: redfish	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't think there is such thing as an illegal war, except perhaps the Civil War, in theory. The U.S. is a sovereign nation, with sovereign meaning nothing higher. So, unless we violate our own Constitution in going to war, the war can never be illegal. The very concept of an "illegal war" requires us to surrender our sovereignty.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (125875)	3/10/2004 7:35:21 PM
From: Sig	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Found a tuneful song here Hawk It would give Jane Fonda nightmares. Better keep volume down, dont want to disturb Jacob too much either. groups.sfahq.com Sig

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (125875)	3/11/2004 2:25:56 AM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hello Hawkmoon: Perhaps there is a particular bias that you haven't taken into consideration? M The Bias Towards Brutality and Totalitarianism By Carroll Andrew Morse Published 03/10/2004 If the international community refuses to apply the same due diligence to monitoring the abuse of human rights and democratic freedoms that is applied to monitoring the continuity of leadership, the international community can never be a force for democracy. If realistic judgments can be made with regard to minimum acceptable standards of civil order, why cannot realistic judgments be made about situations that demand action to remedy attacks on human rights and democratic freedoms -- even when that means challenging an established government? And if the international community will only promote human rights and democratic freedoms after a dictator has lost control, why should not a Hugo Chavez in Venezuela or the mullahs of Iran believe that their best chances of staying in power lie in establishing the most brutal, totalitarian control over their societies as is possible? techcentralstation.com