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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (45723)3/12/2004 2:38:20 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Libyans were global morons of highest order, they were behind Lockerbie paid 10 billion in fines got their agents jailed, these morons have now been corrected, and if you think he bought his peace, criminals buy no peace he bought it because the days where he could do all that without being tackled are over this is what his son has to say, <“If you have the backing of the West and the United States, you will be able to achieve in a few years what you could not achieve in fifty,” son of Libyan leader Moamer Gaddafi.>>

Raymond the doctrine of saying no to the criminals is at work; this is a direct benefit of that interventionist doctrine. The junta of Gaddafi, Saddam and Assad were some of the biggest proliferators of terror in our region, two down one to go, considering his crimes of Rome bombing, providing sanctuaries for worst terrorists, supporting terror for years he only went in hibernation after Reagan reprisals, and developing a nuclear device most recently I fail to understand why you are not rejoicing even if the peace has been bought, as friend of earth that you are peace bought and snake defanged are great achievements, imagine Gaddafi having nukes in two years and than you had to deal with him, the present policy has set proliferators down stream completely off the hook, this should this ‘buying of peace’ which it is not it is only because of the credible deterrence that it happened, should be an occasion of celebrations and not a concern, defeat of terrorists should not be ridiculed, I did not really made any sense of this quote 'LIBYA confirms it “bought peace” with the US.'

On the contrary a congratulatory message to Bush is overdue now.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (45723)3/12/2004 3:10:22 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Respond to of 50167
 
House full everywhere

Avirook Sen
Karachi, 11 March

From his 10th floor office in central Karachi, Shehryar Ahmed is trying to coax the person at the other end of the line to get him two tickets for the Big Game. It's not going too well. On the walls around Shehryar (Sherry to his approximately 11,000 friends), are album covers, concert posters and citations for Junoon — he's the guitar-playing manager of the band. After a while, Sherry sort of gives up: "I've given away thousands of passes for our shows, and look what I have to do for two lousy tickets."

Across town, Hasan Hamayun has just had a wonderful idea. Waiting at Karachi port are 20,000 litres of Haagen Dazs ice-cream. The consignment came in early - the brand was to launch in Pakistan on the 30th - and Hasan who is the franchisee, now wants his ice-cream in the stadium on match day. Provided it isn't simply too late, and provided the authorities are convinced that ice-cream does not pose a security hazard he'll have his stall.

India v Pakistan is Karachi's first international in 15 years, and everyone's interested. Legally, tickets were sold out within 48 hours of the counters opening on Sunday. Now even the black market is close to shutting shop. Tickets range from Rs 100 to 1,800 and you can safely multiply by five if you want one.

Do not try at the National Stadium: it was taken over by the paramilitary Pakistan Rangers on Thursday afternoon. Karachi may be short of tickets, but not of securitymen. There will be about 3,000 of them in and around the stadium. Each of the 15-odd enclosures will have an SSP-rank officer in charge. And Central Security Control will be located bang under the Indian dressing room.

But for the between 25-30,000 (Pakistan is enchantingly vague about specifics like ticket sales/prices and hotel tariffs) who will have precious bar-coded tickets, the gates open at 6.30 a.m. on Saturday.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (45723)3/12/2004 3:10:23 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Respond to of 50167
 
Visiting Pak? Carry a tent – Hotels use to empty before. Peace dividend for 1.5 billion people love not war is the new slogan, is that not a big enough sign for you to see that nations who were at loggerheads are now hosting each other? just ask why this could not happen before, it is the love and the threat of big stick on the heads of terrorists, as terrorism rolled back love took over, and this is one direct consequence of 911 strategy, the cooling down of Kashmir terrorism sponsored by Islamic militants..


Visiting Pak? Carry a tent
Kadambari Murali
Lahore, 11 March

If you are planing to visit Lahore, make sure you are carrying a tent, because the hotels here are putting up the house-full signs.

An Islamabad resident, whose company has a deal with one of Karachi's plushest hotels, was asked to pay $500 a night for a single room. That came down to $250 as a special concession because he was a regular. The normal rate is usually around $100.

"This is a great time for commerce," says Nadeem, who works at an agency specialising in arranging rooms for people. They bulk block hotel rooms and offer them to customers at three or four times the rate.

Lahore, which is expecting a deluge of visitors from India for the twin one-dayers and the Test, is already prohibitively expensive. An employee of the Pearl Continental here says people are willing to pay anything. "We received a call for six rooms for a batch of Indians from England. We settled at Rs 22,000."

A journalist with a reservation at a leading hotel found her booking had been cancelled since they couldn't hold a room till she got her visa. Luckily, she had made another booking and wasn't fleeced, relatively speaking. She's paying Rs 7,500 a night for a single room.

When she asked why they were charging so much when the usual rate was Rs 3,900, she was told they wouldn't mind if she wanted to shift to another hotel. End of conversation.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (45723)3/12/2004 3:10:25 AM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
It’s same, yet a different world - the story you should read..



Love and peace far from threats of war, our changing world that you fail to see and appreciate. a direct result of peace emanating from erosion of threats, our part of the world was overtaken by radicals post 911 these radicals are on retreat, in 90's your US administration cared about deficits and Nasdaq we all bought into it, the glitzy world of surreal peace, and they were completely disengaged with the world, the world was overtaken by terrorists and Clinton would give great intellectual speeches, nuke experiments were gong on in full swing, no one listened to the writ of the hyper-puissance 11th,May 1998, India exploded bombs with US sleeping deep, your administration had no idea what was going on 28th May Pakistan retaliated, as US slept Alqaeda planned the most heinous of crimes against US on its own soil, the new pearl harbour, appeasement and diplomacy lost that war, disengagement from events and this 1998 saw Qadeer Khan opening a global shop for nuke ware, it had to be finally Bush to close that down, the nuke plants and design Iran and Libyans were getting happened in 1998 onwards, now that your nation is awake trying to avoid evils like what happened in Madrid you talk about rights of these vandals, when planting bombs in those rails did ETA considered rights of innocents o the trains, everything is not politics, as a global economic power US has responsibilities, it should fulfil its obligations of seeing that world is not overtaken by vandals, the responsibility is not about NASDAQ only the correlation of peace and NASDQ cannot be overemphasised post yesterday events; security of the world and markets are inter-twinned and this administration is reaching out to sore forgotten spots of late 90’s.








It’s same, yet a different world

Kadambari Murali
Lahore, March 11

On Tuesday night, on the eve of the Indian team's arrival in Lahore, I had, what for me was a rather surreal conversation with a group of young Pakistani boys in the hotel lobby. One of them, Javed Abbasi, came and introduced himself to me and asked if I was Indian and connected to the cricket team.

I replied that I was a reporter, so he introduced the others and we began chatting. It started with cricket, skimmed over the status of women in Pakistan, whether India was shining and ended up with Kashmir. But it wasn't an ideological discussion on Kashmir. They said they were tired of it all. They all wanted to see Srinagar, because they had heard it was very beautiful.

"Now that the maahoul is better, maybe we'll get visas," said Shahid. The situation in Kashmir was still discussed at length, whether the situation had really improved or was it all a BJP ploy on election eve.

Mr Shah, a sales manager from Islamabad, laughingly talked about how India and Pakistan had to come together to offset the gora influence. He spoke of how he was in the final stages of getting an immigrant visa to New Zealand when the Karachi bomb blast happened a couple of years ago. “I got a letter from them very soon, returning my $450, saying we can't give you a visa.” Lots of us went to court but to no avail.

"How can you get a visa?" another youngster joked. “You’re from a terrorist country and plus, you're Kashmiri.” I paused a minute, unsure whether to laugh or not. No one else had any such scruples. And then the talk turned to India.

From what I gathered, for middle and upper class Pakistanis here, India is much like the Promised Land. A land of free-markets, free-thinking, a rocking, happening place.
They get all their impressions of India from Bollywood movies and pirated editions are available in every corner shop, sometimes even before the Friday release in India.
And damn the issues in between the countries. Everyone blame the politicians. There is no great hatred or obsession with India as such, but there is a great curiosity to know about India. From the salaries to the resorts, to the hemlines and the metropolis.

Everyone wants to meet Bollywood stars. And cricketers. The difference is that they're not queuing up to mob them, like in India.

Even on the flight from Karachi to Lahore a couple of days ago, there was no sense of fierce nationalism that many of us from across the border associate with Pakistanis. I was sitting near a young man called Saad, a fast bowler with the u-17 team. Saad and a group of other boys (including the captain of the victorious u-19 World Cup team), was on his way to high tea with the Governor of Punjab. So I asked him whom he idolised, Shoaib Akhtar or Wasim Akram — the usual suspects here. Pat came the reply, “Shane Bond, he has the straightest action I've seen.”

Pakistani youngsters — at least those from the middle class — are more or less like youngsters from the Indian middle class. Remember Shikhar Dhawan declaring that rather than Sachin Tendulkar or Rahul Dravid, Andy Flower was his ideal batsman for being able to tackle any situation?

They are all confident, self-assured, very sure of what they want and go after it with single-minded determination. It's a world of I, me, myself. Our side of the border or theirs.