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To: epicure who wrote (8208)	3/12/2004 9:33:59 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

spinning Iraq and flippety flopping atimes.com

To: epicure who wrote (8208)	3/12/2004 11:38:20 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

An interesting and exhaustive article indeed... I disagree, however, with its "tagline": Progressive minds in the European Union already worry whether this tragic 3-11 might turn Spain --not yet a police state-- into an Iberian mirror of a neo-conservative-driven America shorter on civil liberties and longer on social paranoia. This was never an effect ETA intended. But it may well suit the international jihad. Well, if anything, it may well fit the Judeofascist cabal and its drive to stir up a whole clash of civilizations.... The only positive, if indirect, fallout for Islamic fanatics would stem from the EU's double-standard as regards Turkey. I mean, if Spain will indeed turn into a police state then Turkey's poor democratic record should not be used against her admission into the EU anymore....

To: epicure who wrote (8208)	3/13/2004 4:26:50 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 20773

CUI BONO? Re: Ninety four percent of the Spanish population was against the war on Iraq - and against the Aznar government's unflinching support for Washington. At least 10 percent of the Spanish population demonstrated against the war on February 15, 2003, in the streets of major Spanish cities. The bulk of the dead and injured in the Madrid bombings are working-class people - not exactly supporters of Aznar's policies. Progressive minds in the European Union already worry whether this tragic 3-11 might turn Spain - not yet a police state - into an Iberian mirror of a neo-conservative-driven America shorter on civil liberties and longer on social paranoia. This was never an effect ETA intended. But it may well suit the international jihad. This Sunday, we shall almost without doubt see the Aznar team reelected in a landslide. The obvious intent of the Madrid bombers was to terrify the populace and make them seek to follow a "strong man" leader. This is exactly how Bush achieved such a stunning run-up in approval ratings after 9/11, in spite of his completely incompetent handling of the situation that day. There is only one group who fits the cui bono? question. I.e. who benefited from the attacks on the working class in Madrid? Neo-conservatives like Richard Perle see their agenda advanced by the terrorization of the public. I think he and his ilk need to be looked at as possible perpetrators.