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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (7332)	3/15/2004 12:17:53 AM
From: The Philosopher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

What is your point here, to come on and make excuses for the worst president of all time, Dubya Bush? When have I made excuses for him? I have done only two things here. One, I have ridiculed the most extreme and absurd conspiracy theories that get floated around, things that even Art Bell wouldn't let on his show. Second, I look for balance. If all you want is rah-rah Kerry is perfect, he is total perfection, there is not a single thing in his whole life he should have done any differently, he has never in his life told a single lie or even white fib, yes our soldiers in Vietnam went around all the time cutting off ears and every person in command including the commanders in chief knew about it and did nothing, that was absolute truth when he testified to it, but on the other hand Bush is absolute and total evil, he has purged more people than Stalin, killed more Jews than Hitler, there is nothing at all decent about him in his entire life, then I feel sorry for you. I'm not playing that game. I'm interested in honest and factual discussion of Kerry as a potential candidate. Of which, sadly, there is precious little here to date. We still know very little about him. He has worked for years in the shadow of Teddy Kennedy, has never even been the senior senator for a state, has never been in sole charge of any government, not even as mayor of a town, so we really know very little about how he would govern if he were put in absolute charge of the country. And that's too important a question just to slough off. So why don't we get down to discussing those issues and find out more about this man and whether he would make a better President than George Bush.

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (7332)	3/15/2004 12:24:37 AM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 81568

Bush's war is a financial disaster canoe.ca <<...The brazen arrogance and profound ignorance shown by the Bush administration in its crusade against Iraq has turned the world against the United States. Occupied Iraq is acting as a terrorism generator. For the next generation of young Muslims, Iraq is becoming what Afghanistan was in the 1980s, a rallying point to fight foreign occupation, battle imperialism and defend the tattered honour of the Muslim world. Bush and his men have created millions of new enemies. Half of all U.S. ground combat forces are tied down in and around Iraq. Reserves are being mobilized for long tours. Wear and tear on overstretched U.S. forces and their heavy equipment is a grave, though little discussed, problem. Neo-con promises of "liberation" of Iraq, of joyous, flower-tossing crowds and of rapid "democratization" have turned to dust. Iraq remains a dangerous, volatile mess seething with violence and implacable Shia political demands. Twenty resistance groups now battle U.S. and allied occupation troops. Militant Islamic jihadis are heading for Iraq to fight "Great Satan" America. Yet Bush still claims invading Iraq made America safer. However, because of Iraq, much of the world now regards America itself as a menacing, unstable threat. President Bush has stuck his head into a hornet's nest. The U.S. will bleed men, money and reputation for a long time before it figures out how to get out of the first colonial misadventure of the 21st century...>>