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To: zonder who wrote (8435)3/15/2004 9:18:18 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 20773
 
So how have you been Zonder?



To: zonder who wrote (8435)3/15/2004 9:30:36 AM
From: rrufff  Respond to of 20773
 
You love defining the debate. Given the totality of the circumstances, Israel is surrounded by mortal enemies sworn to destroy it. It is a tiny strip of land when one looks at the entirety of the Arab lands.

It has negotiated behind the scenes with Arab leaders who are afraid to even admit this. Over the past years, Arafat has prevented even his own hand-picked PM's from negotiating in good faith. The PM before the current one had to flee in fear of his life when he attempted to negotiate.

Israel cannot negotiate with itself. Most of Israel would give up most of the land taken in 1967 for a real peace.

Now - back to your questions - Given the history and totality of the circumstances and the cowardly terror tactics that TARGET civilians and as ET suggests hurts the Palestinian people, there is nothing wrong with doing a land grab.

Do you suggest that Israel should voluntarily give up everything and have nothing left to use in negotiations and no ability to have buffer zones? If that's a land grab, there is nothing wrong with that. If there were an Al Queda conclave on our border, I guarantee we would annex it, as would France. (I'll concede that Monaco wouldn't do it.) Nothing wrong with a land grab if it is to prevent death and destruction at the hand of cowardly terrorists.

Although I'm no fan of Sharon, I am fascinated by his bold step in suggesting withdrawal unilaterally to defensible borders until the Palestinians agree to at least attempting negotiations.



To: zonder who wrote (8435)3/15/2004 8:41:25 PM
From: Brumar89  Respond to of 20773
 
Do you think that is justified?....Can you really say Israel has a presence in Gaza only because they want to prevent terrorism in their own country, given that their settlements now cover 30% of Gaza

No, I don't think it is fair. But I know there were settlements in the Sinai as well and they were withdrawn in exchange for a peace treaty. I believe the Gaza settlements would be exchanged for a peace treaty and in fact that almost happened a few years ago.