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To: longnshort who wrote (39580)	3/15/2004 9:58:33 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 89467

Bush Threatened to Fire Official for Telling Truth misleader.org

To: longnshort who wrote (39580)	3/15/2004 10:02:56 PM
From: Jim Willie CB	Respond to of 89467

Clinton started the great shift from Dems to GOP Clinton got tough with budgets, military cuts Bushy has acted fiscally like a madman Democrat insofaras spending is concerned but his type of spending is unique heavy defense piddling on socials huge security budget underestimates are absurd already Prescription Medicare was estimated on next three years at $320B now they reworked the numbers at $450B this is unprecedented for a Republican president the only thing typical of GOP has been tax cuts for wealthy usually Democrats start a war out of ideals this Idiot Prince started a war to save the oil sector to jumpstart the economy and to act tough in the face of failure to find BedLinen / jim

To: longnshort who wrote (39580)	3/17/2004 11:34:35 AM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Longshort, Democrats are anti-war and anti-military? Maybe you're right, but in this case if it's anti-war and anti-military to oppose an unnecessary war that's a longshot to ultimately further our interests and oppose wasteful military spending that does not further our national interests, then we should ALL become "antis." Or don't you agree that there is a huge amount of waste in military spending and that we're betting the farm on a poor hand in Iraq; a game that we took a seat in when we didn't know the players or the rules. Speaking of ante's, what's that old saying; "when you look around the table and you can't tell who the fish is, YOU'RE the fish?" Are the Republicans the strong ones that HAVE "learned to kill?" Which ones are you talking about? Is it Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, or Perle? Maybe you meant Powell; I guess that's who it was. I believe that out of the hundreds of Congressmen and Senators there is only ONE who has a son or daughter in the military, maybe that helps you understand who it is that's "learning to kill," and who it isn't. I suspect it's a lot easier to be the "strong ones that have learned to kill" when someone else is actually doing the killing and dying and you're just being the "strong one." The fact is that in order to have a strong national defense we're going to have to STOP approving every military spending bill that comes down the tube directly from Boeing and and the plodding bureaucrats in the Armed Services and the Defense Dept. In the last decade we've funded billions of dollars of projects that were not feasible, would not work and, even if they did, were not the proper programs to achieve the necessary results. Even in the efficient programs we've overspent and examples of waste are abundant. Defense is taking a huge bite out of our national budget and we've got to fine tune it and work a lot smarter. In defense, as in most other things, it's not so much what you spend but rather what you buy. PS. The Democrats aren't saying that "only a military man can lead them and and the nation and that those not in combat are dirt," the Democrats are saying that the non-combat man who's leading us now, together with his many non-combat buddies, are too separated from the real world to understand the realities of war, to understand the limitations of military power, to properly gauge the will and toughness of the opponent, and to feel the enormity of the sacrifice that they seem so eager to ask OTHERS to make.