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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: ChinuSFO who wrote (7619)	3/16/2004 4:58:10 PM
From: The Philosopher	Respond to of 81568

I think you were distracted when you listened to the tapes or you tried to hear what you wanted to hear. No. I listen to testimony and evidence for a living. I know how to listen to testimony. I agree that the portion I listened to was selected from what was presumably longer testimony. But it was a consistent segment, not taken out of context. He specifically stated that soldiers in Vietnam were regularly commiting atrocities and he specifically listed cutting off ears, breaking bones, and other very specific atrocities. He then said that everybody all the way up the chain of command knew this was happening, and was doing nothing to stop it. I lived through those times. I didn't go to Vietnam myself, but I had friends who were drafted and did go. And I personally knew two very good reporters who covered the war for several years. If this was happening and was at all widespread, the soldiers there and the reporters would have known about it. My judgment is that either Kerry out and out lied, or he listened to some isolated stories (he did not testify that he personally saw any of this) and in sworn testimony built it up into things that he couldn't possibly have known and that just didn't happen in anything approaching the way he described it. Either he was an out and out liar, or he was incredibly naive and open to manipulation. Granted, that was many years ago, and we have all changed a lot since then. The questions are, first, is he willing to admit (as Bush has done) that there are some things he did in the past, including this, that were mistakes that he is not proud of, and second, has he really changed since then in the ways that matter? And please, Chin, let's not get into the name calling nonsense here. You don't need to attack me personally. First, you're wrong. Second, it makes you look as though you don't have legitimate points to make but have to resort to ad hominem attacks. I have thought better of you than that. Please don't disappoint me.