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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (184923)3/16/2004 8:21:55 PM
From: Road Walker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575421
 
Ten,

re: But nowhere will you find any sort of jihad-like doctrine in Western thinking.

The Crusades?



To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (184923)3/17/2004 12:00:17 AM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1575421
 
Ted, Since WW II, what do you think the body count has been........Muslims have killed maybe 4k Americans and Americans have killed what..........200k to 500k.......maybe even upwards of a million if the Vietnamese are Muslim.

First of all, the Vietnamese are not Muslim.

Secondly, Russia has probably killed more Muslims than Americans since WWII. Think why the jihad is against America instead of against Russia (though Russia is also seen as the "enemy" of Islam).


What do you think is going on in Russia? They have had subway trains blown up and an opera house among several bombings in the past two years thanks to the Chechens who are Muslim.

But that aside.........why are you bringing up Russia? There can be many jihads.......I am only concerned about the one directed against the US.

It's because of how powerful America is these days, not because of how many deaths you can remotely associate with anything American.

I see......it isn't because we've screwing around....its because you are big ole rich boys. At some point, it might be smart to admit that its something more than that. It might also be smart to see that things have gotten worse since the invasion of Iraq. So far, we've managed to not get hit but I suspect they're trying real hard to get us.

Third, there is no American analogy to "jihad" as you put it. The decline of Muslim society and culture is an unfortunate side effect of a whole lot of Western influences, some good and some not so good. But nowhere will you find any sort of jihad-like doctrine in Western thinking. If anything, we'd rather leave them alone and they leave us alone, as long as they continue to sell us oil.

We'd rather leave them alone? Excuse me? Since the 70s [if not before], we've done nothing but stuck our nose in the ME 24/7.

And fourth, none of this relates to my original point, that the extremists have adopted an Islamic version of the "final solution." The causes that drove them this way are highly complex and can't be boiled down to the tired old "Blame America" argument. You have touched upon some very good reasons why the extremists act and believe this way, but in no way does that make them any less dangerous or more reasonable.

No question......we have our hands full.

ted



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