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To: TimF who wrote (184939)3/17/2004 12:22:35 PM
From: hmaly  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1573135
 
Tim Re... don't think people without work ethics deserve jobs in the sense that a decent (or any) job should just be handed to them, but if they have just enough of a work ethic to hold down a very low paying job and their employer wants to pay them and the relationship benefits both of them I don't think it should be forbidden by law.

It depends upon the job. But for me, a person without a work ethic is useless, no matter how little you pay him. I start my guys out at appr. $12/hr, not because I must,but because it makes me money. Why, because, you have a lot of other expenses which you have in junction with that slacker, or regular employee. Careless,sloppy, lazy employees make mistakes,get injured, don't show up for work, and don't care about your schedule, or whether the contractors, you are doing work for, are satisfied; plus you get poor productivity, out of your equipment. Secondly, it should be incumbant upon the employee, not the employer, to do what is necessary, to keep a job. To say we should lower our standards, for a slacker, when there are plenty of others, who would bother to show up and care, is lunacy. The people who are truly handicapped, can find jobs, which suit their abilities. Construction, is physical, hard work, and there are jobs, which don't have those requirements.

You might be hiring people with little in the way of skills and no diploma, but your hiring people with enough motivation to make up for this at least for a simple routine job. If they don't have much motivation I suspect you don't keep them around

Bingo.

If unskilled but reasonably motivated and hard working labor makes $12 per hour in your area the "minimum wage type employees" would be people with less motivation and work ethic and hustle and energy. The type of people you personally probably wouldn't want to even pay $3/hour for much less $12.

Absolutely correct. How do those unmotivated people become motivated. Not sure, and I am not sure I care. I do know, paying them minimum wages isn't the answer.

By the way, I read your previous article, and I think it has flaws in its reasoning. The trick is to get the employee skilled and motivated enough to be worth more than minimum wage, not drive wages down to his level. The article suggests minimum wages will keep these people from being hired, when it really is their skills, and motivation, which are causing the problem. Certainly, if you have enough outsourcing, or deflation, such that the average person, with the average skills wouldn't get hired,at that price, them minimum wages become a problem. However, that isn't the case now, and since I believe productivity is the answer to a better life, then the slackers, must get with the program, and be more productive themselves, or be left out.