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To: Raymond Duray who wrote (45769)3/17/2004 5:37:41 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Respond to of 50167
 
Who knows better: the Iraqi people or Spain's new PM?
By Janet Daley
(Filed: 17/03/2004)
dailytelegraph.com

Spain's new prime minister has said that the invasion of Iraq was a "disaster". A disaster for whom, exactly? According to a poll conducted by a collection of broadcasting organisations, including the BBC (which must have been rather startled by the results), a majority (57 per cent) of Iraq's population believe that life is better now that Saddam has gone. Just a shade under half (49 per cent) believe the invasion was right, as opposed to 39 per cent who think it was wrong.



Not only do they see their immediate situation as an improvement on life under the Ba'athist regime, but more than 70 per cent are optimistic about the future, stating that they expect their lives to be even better in a year's time. A still larger proportion of Iraqis (80 per cent) think that attacks on coalition forces are wrong and should stop. Fancy that.

Rather a different picture from the one that we get relayed to us here, isn't it? What we see of Iraq through the perspective of the anti-war media is a mess: a country that is scarcely a country at all, more a seething mass of chaotic hatred of America and its allies, in which the loathing of the entire populace constantly erupts into violence against the occupying troops (when, in fact, a majority want them to remain to help re-establish security) and repercusses through the wider world in the form of increased terrorism.

The not very subtle sub-text of much reporting on Iraq (see particularly most of the front pages of the Independent over recent months, and the idiosyncratic accounts of its star reporter, Robert Fisk) is that we have made things a lot worse for the Iraqis and a whole lot more dangerous for ourselves.

Huge swaths of the Guardian's comment pages, and endless hours of BBC coverage (generally involving the ubiquitous Lib Dem foreign affairs spokesman, Menzies Campbell) have been given over to reinforcing what has become the received opinion of the liberal intelligentsia: by bludgeoning our way into a region whose volatility we underestimated, either - choose your favourite calumny - because George W Bush and his friends were utterly cynical and interested only in stealing Iraqi oil, or because Bush and his friends were naively idealistic and thought they could bring US-style democratic freedom to Iraq overnight, we have reduced the country to ruination.

Only contrition followed by retreat can possibly repair the damage we have done. Now the newly elected Spanish prime minister, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, has articulated this message as a threat: only a complete "revolution" in American policy could stop him from pulling out of the coalition that is occupying post-war Iraq.

To judge from the opinions of the Iraqi people themselves, this would be the most wickedly unhelpful and irresponsible thing that he could do. Now that the war is over, and Saddam gone, what the Iraqis want more than anything else, as 85 per cent of them say, is a return to security; to which end, they need the help of the occupying Western troops. But Mr Zapatero will presumably be happy only if the rest of the coalition joins him in a rapid exit and then submits itself to the terrifyingly ineffectual mechanisms of a UN "peace-keeping operation".

What could possibly be accomplished by pulling out now and leaving the Iraqis to the mercies of the minority who would like to see a return to Ba'athist tyranny, or failing that, enough chaos to provide cover for pan-Arabic terrorist organisations?

Well, one thing that would be accomplished would be a short-term, and utterly opportunistic, political gain for Mr Zapatero's party in Spain, and an apparent vindication for the anti-war party here. The next thing to happen would be the most almighty epidemic of global terrorism in history, since al-Qa'eda would have learnt the definitive lesson that mass murder works.

What is the lesson for those who truly believe in freedom for Iraqis and an end to the Islamic terrorist threat? That they must prosecute their case with far less ambivalence and apology. The anti-war lobby has not only misrepresented the state of Iraqi public opinion, but has also criminally manipulated British perceptions. It has managed to render a short, hugely successful and remarkably unbloody war that removed a genocidal tyrant into a matter for national shame.

To understand how damaging this might be, it is useful to look at a poll published in yesterday's Guardian which examines the feelings of British Muslims. Unlike their co-religionists in Iraq, Muslims living here do not feel kindly toward the liberators of that country. Nor, unlike Iraqis, do they feel optimistic about their own futures in the country where they reside.

They have come to believe that they are increasingly isolated in Britain and the poll seems to attribute this alienation directly to the Iraq war and anti-terrorism legislation. Fully 61 per cent of them believe that British and American troops should be pulled out of Iraq - which, you will remember, is precisely the opposite of what a majority of Iraqis want.

Why do British Muslims have such a contrary view of events from the very people about whom they are so concerned as to feel "isolated" in their own country? Perhaps because they, too, have been misled by the strident anti-war, anti-American lobby. Add to this that many of them have been inflamed, bullied and morally blackmailed by Islamicist demagogues who have been allowed to engage in hate speech and incitements to violence that would never be permitted to any other group in our society.

This misplaced "tolerance", which actively encourages mistrust and resentment between the races, is of a piece with the self-hatred peddled by the anti-war camp, for whom their own country, especially if it is in league with America, can do no right. Most British Muslims, like most Iraqis, want peace and freedom. Those who believe that they are delivering those things need to be as robust in their arguments as Osama's useful idiots are in theirs.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (45769)3/17/2004 5:42:37 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50167
 
Your 'Mossad' conspiracy theory goes out of the window..

Police hunt gang of five Moroccans for Madrid bombings
By Isambard Wilkinson in Madrid
(Filed: 17/03/2004)

Spanish police were hunting last night for five Moroccans suspected of carrying out last week's massacre in Madrid.



Security checks at airports, railway stations and ports were tightened and random road blocks imposed as a 45-year-old woman became the 201st fatality.

In Lavapies, the Madrid district where three Moroccans suspected of being connected to the attack were detained at the weekend, police checked identity papers and questioned witnesses.

El Pais newspaper said the police had identified the five suspects but said they would not name them. An interior ministry spokesman would not confirm this.

Three other Moroccans, Jamal Zougam, his half-brother Mohamed Chaoui, 34, and Mohamed Bekkali, 31, were arrested on Saturday in connection with the attacks. Two Indian citizens who were also held for questioning have been released.

Mobile phones apparently used as detonators on the 10 bombs that tore through the four trains last Thursday were reportedly sold to the terrorists by the Indians. The five suspects were arrested after a phone and prepaid card were found on a bomb that failed to explode.

The investigations are focusing on Zougam, who allegedly has connections with the reputed spiritual head of al-Qa'eda in Spain, Imad Yarkas, who is in jail on suspicion of helping to plan the September 11 attacks.

Yarkas sent a message through his lawyer condemning the Madrid attacks.

According to Moroccan officials Zougam is also alleged to have links to the group that carried out suicide bombings last year in Casablanca that killed 40 and a key al-Qa'eda operative, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who has been blamed in attacks in Jordan, Iraq and elsewhere.

The Spanish media quoted security officials as saying Zougam was identified by two survivors of the Madrid bombs who said they saw him before the explosions leaning against a train door.

Morocco flew a team of investigators to Madrid yesterday to help identify the suspects and question them.

European intelligence agencies are also trying to identify a purported al-Qa'eda operative who claimed in a videotape that the group carried out the Madrid bombings to punish Spain's backing of the US-led war in Iraq.

The tape was discovered in a rubbish bin near Madrid's largest mosque on Saturday. The Interior Ministry released details about its contents, and intelligence agents were trying to identify the man, verify his claims and establish the identity of Abu Dujan al Afghani, named in the tape as al-Qa'eda's military spokesman in Europe.

Spanish police said they had arrested an Algerian, Ali Amrous, who allegedly referred to the attacks when he was questioned in January, saying that "we will fill Madrid with the dead".

Nobody knows for sure the identity of the culprits. Some link them to Islamic terror suspects in Britain. However, those named are in British custody and not in a position to be involved directly in attacks.

Western intelligence agencies did not pick up any significant increase in terrorist "chatter" before Thursday's attacks. This perhaps indicates that the suspected Moroccan cell was acting with a high degree of autonomy from any supposed al-Qa'eda leadership.

Indeed the call for jihad and the diffuse nature of Islamist terrorist cells may point to the group acting independently and solely on the basis of Osama bin Laden's call for the maximum amount of "Crusader" blood to be spilt.

Analysts say 300 Moroccans attended his terrorist training camps in Afghanistan before September 11.

Moroccans suspected of belonging to al-Qa'eda were linked to attacks in the Saudi city of Jeddah four days after the Casablanca bombings.

Two Moroccans have also been accused of planning to hijack a plane and crash into a building in Jeddah.

Mounir El Motassadeq, a Moroccan national, is also the only person in the world to be convicted - in Germany - in connection with the September 11 attacks.

Jean Pierre Raffarin, the French prime minister, called for calm after his government received a letter purporting to be from an Islamist group threatening attacks against French interests.

The letter, which was "taken seriously", threatened reprisal attacks over a law banning Muslim headscarves in state schools.



To: Raymond Duray who wrote (45769)3/17/2004 5:53:28 PM
From: IQBAL LATIF  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 50167
 
How about this....

I want to visit the good people of US, says freed Afghan
By Hamida Ghafour in Kabul
(Filed: 17/03/2004)

For a man who had just been freed after two years in American custody at Guantanamo Bay, it seemed odd yesterday that Haji Osman said he wanted to visit the "good people" in the United States.



Mr Osman, 35, had just been flown back to Kabul with 22 other men accused of links to the deposed Taliban regime.

But he said he harboured no resentment toward his captors and suggested that conditions in Camp Delta had compared favourably with those in rural Afghanistan.

Mr Osman, who has five children, said: "If you compare it to life in the village, it was good, except we were not free. The food was fresh: chicken, fish, meat, rice and even bananas and oranges.

"I had no serious medical problems - just a toothache and headache and was given tablets on those occasions. I lacked for nothing."

While the British detainees released last week received lucrative offers to sell their stories and related tales of violence and even sexual abuse, the Afghan inmates were grateful merely to have money given to them by the Red Cross to take taxis back to their villages.

Mr Osman said he had not seen any evidence of torture.

"The behaviour of the Americans was not bad," he said. "When they questioned me, which was often, it was always, 'What were you doing in your country? What is your job? Who are your relations?' But there was no torture."

Mr Osman, who owns a clothes shop, said he had shared a large room with 47 inmates. Five times a day there would be a call to prayer over the loudspeaker. Suspects considered dangerous were kept alone in cells. "If we wanted, we could learn the Koran or teach something to the others. I talked to friends a lot. There were no beatings or punishments in my camp. I saw the mountains and in front of me was the ocean."

Mr Osman described the moment he was told he would be going home.

He said: "They just told me, 'You were captured by mistake. We apologise and the crimes which you have been accused of have not been proven. You can go home.' "

He said he had never had links with the Taliban but bore no grudge towards the Americans.

Thinking that Camp Delta was in America rather than Cuba, he said: "If I had the chance, I would go back to the United States to visit. Why not? The people who are serving in Afghanistan are probably good people."

His cousin, 18-year-old Noor Aslam, was wearing a denim jacket given to him by the American military. He was arrested while working in a bazaar in the southern province of Paktika.

Mr Aslam was kept in a cell by himself and, like his uncle, said he had never been told what crime he was supposed to have committed.

He said: "My cell was two metres wide. We were in the rooms most of the time but were given 30 minutes a day to take a walk and a shower.

"I was praying sometimes, reading the Koran and sleeping. I was thinking, 'How can I get out?' But there was no way to escape. We were surrounded by water."

Mr Aslam said he had not heard of beatings and torture but said there had been several suicide attempts.

However, one man complained of physical and psychological torture. Mohammad, 27, said: "The treatment was so bad I can't find words to explain it. There was no respect for our culture and religion; animals were treated better than us. If we did not follow their orders, they would beat us."

So far, 110 suspects have been freed and 610 remain.

Mr Osman and Mr Aslam's relatives were in a forgiving mood. They said that perhaps the Americans could build a school, clinic and road in their district of Barmal as a gesture of goodwill.

"If they have arrested our villagers wrongly they should now provide something for us," one said. "We have no objection to ordinary Americans. We don't blame the soldiers who arrested them.

"American soldiers, as you know, are mostly uneducated, so they don't know better. They were following orders."