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To: KLP who wrote (35109)	3/17/2004 1:41:20 PM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 793917

Cheny on FOX right now.....

To: KLP who wrote (35109)	3/17/2004 1:57:02 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793917

As usual with Dean, it's not what he said, but the way that he said it. It's a fact that the Madrid bombing was in large part retaliation for Spanish involvement in the War on Terror - that's what the group taking responsibility for the attack stated was the reason. I have no idea whether the Bush administration twisted the arm of the Spanish government to get them involved in Iraq, or whether it was a voluntary action, but if there were no war in Iraq, then retaliation wouldn't be a motive. So Dean is right, just as a wife abuser is right when he says that if only the wife hadn't done something to set him off, he wouldn't have beaten her. But the wife abuser thinks setting him off is justification for a beating, and Dean apparently thinks Spain's involvement in Iraq is justification for killing civilians using bombs. It's pretty shitty to blame the victims before they are even buried, but that's Dean for you. Reminds me of the Europeans who, after 9/11, said it was our fault for not signing the Kyoto treaty and all that. Hopefully, Dean will quickly assume his proper place as a very small footnote in the history of the country.

To: KLP who wrote (35109)	3/17/2004 9:02:59 PM
From: gamesmistress	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793917

From The State Of The Media 2004 report: Public Attitudes Public attitudes about the press have been declining for nearly 20 years. Americans think journalists are sloppier, less professional, less moral, less caring, more biased, less honest about their mistakes and generally more harmful to democracy than they did in the 1980s. Consider a few changes in the numbers between 1985 and 20021: The number of Americans who think news organizations are highly professional declined from 72 to 49 percent. Those who think news organizations are moral declined from 54 to 39 percent, and those who think they are immoral rose from 13 to 36 percent. Those who feel news organizations try to cover up their mistakes rose from 13 to 67 percent. The number of Americans who think news organizations generally get the facts straight declined from 55 to 35 percent. Those who feel who feel news organizations care about the people they report on declined from 41 to 30 percent. Those who think news organizations are politically biased rose from 45 to 59 percent. After watching these numbers closely for years, we at the Project suggest that all of these matters - the questions about journalists' morality, caring about people, professionalism, accuracy, honesty about errors - distill into something larger. The problem is a disconnection between the public and the news media over motive. Journalists believe they are working in the public interest and are trying to be fair and independent in that cause. This is their sense of professionalism. The public thinks these journalists are either lying or deluding themselves. The public believes that news organizations are operating largely to make money and that the journalists who work for these organizations are primarily motivated by professional ambition and self-interest. stateofthenewsmedia.org