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To: epicure who wrote (8664)	3/18/2004 12:01:59 PM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 20773

Media bias: <<< Statement of Jean-Bertrand Aristide, President of Haiti, March 5, 2004, from exile in the Central African Republic: "The 28th of February, at night, suddenly, American military personnel who were already all over Port-au-Prince descended on my house in Tabarre to tell me first that all the American security agents who have contracts with the Haitian government only have two options. Either they leave immediately to go to the United States, or they fight to die. Secondly, they told me the remaining 25 of the American security agents hired by the Haitian government who were to come in on the 29th of February as reinforcements were under interdiction, prevented from coming. Thirdly, they told me the foreigners and Haitian terrorists alike, loaded with heavy weapons, were already in position to open fire on Port-au-Prince. And right then, the Americans precisely stated that they will kill thousands of people and it will be a bloodbath. That the attack is ready to start, and when the first bullet is fired nothing will stop them and nothing will make them wait until they take over, therefore the mission is to take me dead or alive. ... Faced with this tragedy, I decided to ask, "What guarantee do I have that there will not be a bloodbath if I decided to leave? "In reality, all this diplomatic gymnastics did not mean anything because these military men responsible for the kidnapping operation had already assumed the success of their mission. What was said was done. This diplomacy, plus the forced signing of the letter of resignation, was not able to cover the face of the kidnapping." A search of the Lexis-Nexis database on March 10 failed to turn up any report of Aristide's statement in any American daily newspaper or broadcast medium, despite news of it being carried by the Associated Press. Several papers in Canada and the UK did carry stories about the statement. >>> counterpunch.org Tom

To: epicure who wrote (8664)	3/18/2004 12:04:01 PM
From: tsigprofit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

X, I understand what you are saying. I used to think like this, but you do not understand the real marketplace I am talking about. The engineers and IT people do not suck. These are the people with the best skills. But, they cannot compete when they make 50-80K per year against 8-12K in India. Let me ask you this. How much does the typcial teacher make in the US? I'd say around 45-55K with benefits. We could import tens of thousand of English speaking teachers from India. These would have comparable or superior educations to the teachers in the US. What if I told you we could do this, and pay them 10K per year. Or 15K? What would you think of that? Would it be protectionist if the teacher's union resisted a wholesale displacement of their long-time workers? Do you think only the teachers that "suck" would be displaced? Don't kid yourself. Many teachers here have only teaching degrees. What if we import teachers with math and science degrees from India also? Probably 95% of these would have more knowledge than the US teachers, and would be willing to work at about a quarter of the salary. I used to think like you do now. The US has never had a free market. It is wrong to experiement with tens of thousands of professionals here - all in the name of avoiding "protectionism"