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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (554182)	3/20/2004 10:58:51 PM
From: jmhollen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

Your problem is using "...left-wing liberal goofy-logic.." and trying to apply it to very serious situation where a mega-rich, megalomaniac, Hitlerian arsehole was in charge ( by force and subterfuge ) of a heavily armed country threatening all of it's neighbors - and potentially us. Perhaps if someone in your family was strung up on a meathook and tortured, garroted with piano wire, or tuned over to Uday and Qusay to be repeatedly raped and beaten until they finally decided to kill her and put her though the tree-chopper - you'd have a more rational perspective. Not to mention, the SEALS stopped the SOB JUST before his wacko's dumped oil into the gulf, and wrecked the environment for years to come. Saddam had and used chemical weapons, they had purchased nuclear development equipment, and they had Russian and Chinese missiles capable of carrying both chem and nuke warheads - or perhaps a chem warhead with dirty nuke material in it. And. since you obviously don't read the News, Al Qaeda has a number of small freighters capable of moving and firing those missiles from within a port like San Francisco, LA, New Orleans, Norfolk, Baltimore, NYC, or somewhere in the St. Lawrence seaway. Hopefully you're not so naive as to think that Saddass wasn't nuts enough to use them. The bonehead jackarse was marking time and gambling that the US would back down..!!! "...Soooooprise, sooooprise..." - with the dumbass Clintwit-Reno Demoncrats out of office - *these RED, WHITE & BLUE colors don't RUN, anymore.....!!!* Get a freakin' grip, Hairy Kerry and his Kennedy-kissing Clintwit & Carville clones have already lost in 2004. I'll bet you've lost your 'remote' in your own living room, and your car keys somehwere on your own property. Do you think YOU could find a container the size of a 2-door refrigerator buried in the middle of a dessert in a country the size of California...?!? If you do, please buy a metal detector and volunteer; I'll help chip in for your plane ticket..!!! John .

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (554182)	3/20/2004 11:15:08 PM
From: D.Austin	Respond to of 769670

"missing WMDs"? Do you think its wise to show our enemies that we are united in the fight against terrorism ???? We have enough enemies within our borders,many were born and raised here,some were planted.... Look in the mirror...

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (554182)	3/21/2004 4:33:30 AM
From: Johannes Pilch	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 769670

Imagine you and I are in a physical struggle during which I draw several guns against you and begin to fire. I miss with each gun, but the effectiveness of my weapons is still quite obvious. You and many of your friends, in return, draw more modern, more effective weapons against me, commanding me to agree to hand over my guns “or else.” I agree to hand over the guns, but refuse to do it. Some sodomite friends of yours also command that I give up the weapons. I refuse and so the sodomites suggest that simply shunning me will force me to give up the guns. In the meantime, I threaten to murder your father and you know that, given the chance, I would murder you and everyone near you. You continually receive hints that I still have my weapons and that I am even building or have plans to build more of the same. Then suddenly someone who looks like and thinks like me murders dozens of your family as I continue to refuse to give up my weapons. You receive reports that I still have the weapons and have even made more of them. You command me again to give up the guns, but I refuse. You command, I refuse. You then draw your weapon and make the command, then I claim I have no guns. You believe me because you are a friggin’ idiot. He said their threat was imminent no matter what euphemism you want to use. Prove this, Shep. You can’t because Bush never said this. But the fact is, as my example above demonstrates, the threat against us was quite real. The threat against our interests was quite imminent because Saddam continually refused to confirm what he agreed to confirm. It is remarkable that you and so many other leftists refuse to understand this. Politics means so much to you that you would despise Bush even if by doing so it implies your eagerness to endure the threats of a mad man. That is absurd! They sold that story to the Congress and the nation and a few witless Coalition Members who were probably bribed. Well, as my example shows, the threat was imminent, especially since we knew WMD were involved. After your family has been savaged once, you don’t just sit around waiting for it to happen again. The Brits were sold by Tony. The rest of the world wasn't convinced and we now know why. Please remember. The rest of the world didn’t have 3000 of its citizens murdered all at once. The rest of the world hadn’t incurred billions of dollars in stolen revenue and property all at once. The rest of the world had issued a direct resolution that it was unprepared to enforce. That is why the rest of the world wasn’t convinced. It didn’t want to be convinced. It never could have been convinced, despite the fact that it knew WMD were clearly once in Iraq and that Iraq had refused to confirm what the rest of the world commanded it confirm. It would have been best had the rest of the world simply kept its mouth shut and its worthless resolutions to itself. But it didn’t, and so the rest of the world doesn’t help your case because the rest of the world was acting irresponsibly. But the question remains, why would Saddam destroy or ship his WMD out the country if he knew he was going to be invaded...he would have had them for that very reason, ie as a deterrent. I do seriously marvel at these questions. It takes time to fully develop WMD and their means of deployment, especially if one wishes to deploy them against the United States and its interests. The report we received suggested that Saddam had plans to revive and further develop his extant capabilities. Given the beating he took in Gulf War I (and the sanctions following it), he may not have been able to move his program rapidly enough to put in place the systems required to make it effective. Bush stated that he wished to make sure that Saddam never would be able to develop such a program. So he commanded Saddam to verify disarmament. Saddam refused, and now we control Iraq. Quite reasonable. He would have inflicted heavy casualties upon us if he had them and used them. He likely had them but was still caught enough with his pants down that he could not deploy them. These are complex programs, Shep. Dear me… What is meaningless is if we can't find them after insisting to this day that he has them. He may have moved them. We absolutely know he had them. We know this with no doubt at all. Even you know this. It is just the result of pure stupidity to claim, with no evidence at all, that he no longer had them.