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To: Elsewhere who wrote (126887)	3/22/2004 1:31:32 AM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Respond to of 281500

I have a feeling it's going to be more a "part of our life" in Europe than in the United States.

To: Elsewhere who wrote (126887)	3/22/2004 1:39:27 AM
From: boris_a	Respond to of 281500

establish some kind of draconian world government "In the Months Before 9/11, Justice Department Curtailed Highly Classified Program to Monitor Al Qaeda Suspects in the U.S." biz.yahoo.com First we should dismiss those "leaders" who negelect essential duties and like to make political business with the pictures of the coffins afterwards. Those "leaders" who are helping AQ all he time.

To: Elsewhere who wrote (126887)	3/22/2004 2:47:26 AM
From: NightOwl	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

*You can't stop al Qaeda unless you manage to establish some kind of draconian world government. For the next decades terror will be part of our life.* Jochen, I thought I had acknowledged the possibility of the 5% solution and worse quite awhile back? It's definitely on the table as far as I can tell. I can't see any possibility of things getting so bad that we would nuke anyone. But if I were taking your position, I would certainly pray that the US doesn't run out of willing troops and smart weapons. If that were to happen, it would not take long to arrive at B-52s and carpet bombing to take their place. As to your conclusion above, I suspect something will just have to change. Because I am certain that neither of us will live to see the US participating in a world government any more draconian than the UN. And I am not going to accept living in terror for decades because of religious beliefs I do not hold or share. But keep working at it. I suspect that those 5% solutions don't take much time to get rolling these days. ...The news this morning may already signal a beginning. ...Or did it begin with the invasion of Iraq? We shall see. 0\|0

To: Elsewhere who wrote (126887)	3/22/2004 2:53:14 PM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 281500

Hi Jochen Jansen; Re: "Nothing in your post acknowledges my statement that the USA can easily switch to a "5% solution" mode in Iraq. Don't tell me a democracy can't do it. In WW II you dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan, you reduced many German cities to piles of rubble and dust." We were able to do this only because the German and Japanese governments gave us the opportunity. I doubt that the Moslems will be so convenient. Instead, the Moslem nations roll over, but keep on terrorizing. Israel has already seen the same thing with the Palestinians for years. The 5% solution could only be exercised in the context of Hitler's "Final Solution". That sort of thing is impossible in peacetime. Even Hitler's regime could only pull it off in the midst of losing a major war. I use the word "losing" to distinguish his situation from the American one where we put the Japanese into "internment" camps. If the US had ended up slowly losing the war, who could say what we would have done with the people in those camps. Since there is no real war, there can be no 5% solution. We're stuck in the Israeli situation, except that we don't have any historical tie to the region that keeps us involved. Eventually we will pull out just like we have pulled out of previous incursions that became unpleasant like Lebanon or Vietnam. -- Carl