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To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (5773)	3/22/2004 5:28:45 PM
From: Alan Smithee	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Agree on the "conspiracy" issue. Also agree on what is important in this election re: Kerry's suitability for leadership and projecting an image that will deter, not encourage, terrorism. As for this: and then when they rise up we should just ask them to please be nice or we might get really mad at them. Not mad enough to do something that lasts longer than a weekend, but really mad. I thought we already tried that during the Clinton years.

To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (5773)	3/23/2004 12:53:11 AM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 90947

You may be right. I'm not a lawyer & do not know the specifics of the law either then or now. I didn't elaborate, but the fact that senior members went into a planned, special, private meeting to discuss this issue tells me that this plot was dead serious & several senior members wanted the VVAW to fully participate in the assassination of US Senators. IOW, this meeting didn't happen the way you explained it. If some of the members had already met separately & conspired to have the VVAW participate in the assissination of US Senators, then this next step may be grounds for conspiracy. Perhaps not - in any event, it's not the most important point to me. Even if it isn't a conspiracy that could be prosecuted, Kerry knew at this point that he was a top leader of a group that was more than radical. They had become lawless radicals. Considering the VVAW's actions up until this meeting, Kerry had sufficient reason to alert authorities about this meeting because he knew how radical & lawless his peers at the top level of the VVAW really were. Instead he did nothing, just like his horrific & slanderous testimony before the SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE. Kerry still stands behind his false testimony & pretends that he cannot recall being at a private meeting of senior VVAW leaders who discussed assassinating US Senators. That is the main point to me. Kerry now has a history of serious lapses when national security was at stake. I do not want anyone with this lack of character, ethics & morals to be President.

To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (5773)	3/23/2004 9:44:32 AM
From: Rainy_Day_Woman	Respond to of 90947

ask them to please be nice or we might get really mad at them. Not mad enough to do something that lasts longer than a weekend, but really mad this could be a very interesting foreign policy tool he might want to add the Rumplestilskin jumping up and down foot stomping routine for added effect

To: Original Mad Dog who wrote (5773)	3/23/2004 10:03:44 AM
From: mph	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

OMD, I don't agree that the Kerry /VVAW/Fonda/extreme radical connections are just a sideshow nor do I think the comparison to some cocaine party attended by Bush is apt. IMO, Kerry chose the anti-war movement as a vehicle from which to launch his public career. He consorted with people of questionable background and willingly touted accusations of atrocities against his fellow soldiers. To this date, he has not apologized for those activities nor even hinted that his allegations may have been in error. I am not one bit surprised that the radical organization of which he was a high level leader and national "face" considered extreme action like assassination. Kerry failed to blow the whistle. That says a lot about him. To me, Kerry is nothing more than a cheap opportunist, willing to sell his own mother to further his political career. Stripped to its essence, the rhetoric about his flip-flops, etc. boils down to a simple charge-- the man stands for nothing and therefore changes with the winds of expediency. Actually, I take that back. The one constant for Kerry is his ambition. And everything else is sacrificed at that altar. JMO.