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To: Neocon who wrote (127049)	3/23/2004 4:44:28 AM
From: blue red	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>I have seen very few posts so lame as to complain that a case was not proved, as if it is my responsibility to change your mind, rather than hold up my end of a conversation. But I am only doing what you did: make flat pronouncements without evidence or argument. I said that as soon as you prove each of those assertions, I'll prove mine. You have not proved them. I've made more of this than I intended. I wanted to call to your attention a certain cavalierness about evidence and argument. (Now, I'll have to get back to you tomorrow.)

To: Neocon who wrote (127049)	3/23/2004 12:28:14 PM
From: E	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

She also said that some were justifying the war on the basis of the mass graves, implying "alone", Implying "alone"? Don't be ridiculous. I didn't say it or "imply" it. Those embarrassed by the absence of either the WMD or evidence tying Saddam to 9/11 or al-Q (though now, after the war, it seems Iraq has become a veritable al-Q hotbed, thankyouverymuch), repeatedly make reference to the mass graves and other horrors perpetrated by Saddam's regime. They say, "It was the right thing," pretending that human rights concerns were a significant consideration, and thus ex post facto justification. Well, citing the mass graves represents a self-serving change of subject. Ignoratio elenchi: The logical fallacy of obscuring the point by interjecting, usually through emotional appeal, a proposition other than the one at issue. I'm pointing out that the citation of the mass graves is an intentional obscuring of the point that the actual reasons the President gave for the war's being justified and in our national interest turned out to be unfounded.