To: cnyndwllr who wrote (9814 ) 3/23/2004 10:59:12 PM From: Brumar89 Respond to of 81568 The elder Bush IMO hoped that Saddam would be overthrown by a military coup and afterward Iraq would be ruled by some general who would be less dangerous than Saddam. I'm sure he worried about a Shiite rebellion which would put Iraq in the hands of people like Iran's ayatollahs. He certainly wasn't thinking about the possibility or desirability of fostering reform in the mideast. No draining the swamp to kill the mosquitos who spread the disease. As he said himself, he didn't have the "vision thing". Based on the way the world was at that time (1990-1992) I can't say his view was unreasonable for the time. It is way too soon to say that Afghanistan and Iraq will be fundamentalist states. In addition to Islamic clerics, Iraq has a population, including a Shiite population, which has spent decades in a secular state and who have a bird's eye view of the problems with ayatollah run government in Iran. about the middle east and democracy, that's a pipe dream in this decade. Well I don't know how mcuh time it might take but we need to be looking more than a decade ahead. Excessive pessimism about the possibility of positive change assures that no positive change will occur. Back to Kerry and the war, here is what he said during the first Presidential debate: KERRY: “George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him , and I support the fact that we did disarm him.” (ABC News, Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Columbia, SC, 5/4/03)