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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (127684)	3/29/2004 11:21:27 AM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<terrorism does not just spontaneously ignite without having "fuel" to feed the flames. And that fuel is the social and political hopelessness that currently exists within the Middle East under the existing repressive and corrupt governments there. The fundamentalists prey on the discontent and despair that prevails there, and attempt to funnel it into a militant ideo-theology aimed at destroying the west.> The most effective tool for changing this situation is to bring as many ME young people as possible to study at American universities. Bombing, invading and occupying countries in the ME does nothing but pile unlimited fuel on the fire.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (127684)	3/29/2004 11:26:27 AM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

<with the current waves of terrorist activities against muslims who are cooperating with the CPA efforts, it is irrefutably dispelling the notion that muslims were not responsible for the 9/11 suicide attacks> The hatred and violence directed towards Iraqi "collaborators" merely proves that aligning with an immensely unpopular occupation force is even more repugnant to many Iraqis than being an American occupier. It says absolutely nothing about 9/11 and it is absurd to assert that it does.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (127684)	3/29/2004 3:27:51 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "However, terrorism does not just spontaneously ignite without having "fuel" to feed the flames. And that fuel is the social and political hopelessness that currently exists within the Middle East under the existing repressive and corrupt governments there." If the Iraq invasion hadn't resulted in a massive increase in terrorism attacks against Americans, your argument would make more sense. Just think about it. If Iraq had been converted into a friendly, democratic country, Bush would be lookin' like a genius right now. Instead, the fires of terrorism not only continue to burn, but US troops (okay, mostly Iraqi civilians) are killed by them on a weekly basis. -- Carl

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (127684)	3/29/2004 8:14:11 PM
From: Rascal	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

HIHAWK, This delineation between treating terrorism as a military action A/K/A "Forward Defense" (How Orwellian of you.)vs. a police action is dicey. There are some fine lines and some very muddy ones. Apparently the Paks are leaning towards police action today. Who know how it may all turn out after the lawyers decide how to characterize the Military action. Militants held in Wana not to be treated as POWs By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir ISLAMABAD: Militants arrested in the recent Wana military operation in Waziristan Agency will not be treated as Prisoners of War (POWs). They are criminals and would be tried under the law of the land since they were arrested in anti-terrorist operation. Acting Foreign Secretary Tariq Usman Haider told The News on Monday evening that the law and order situation created by the miscreants called for an operation. Wherever a law and order problem arises, police are asked to take action. In case they fail to control the situation, civil armed forces are deployed in the area and calling regular army in aid of the civil administration is a last resort, he added. Earlier Director General Inter-Services Public Relations Major General Shaukat Sultan said that the arrested persons would be dealt in under the law of the country. To a query he agreed that the militants were arrested in a combat military operation and the treatment to be meted out to them would be determined by the authorities concerned. According to the figures given by the DG ISPR the number of those arrested in the just concluded operation is 167. Ninety-four among them are locals while 73 are foreigners, he said. To another question Shaukat Sultan made it clear that timing of the Wana operation had nothing to do with the visit of US Secretary of State Colin Powell. No operation has been planned during next month during the visit of US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. The visit has not been scheduled yet, he added. He reminded that the operation in tribal areas was started much earlier i.e in January this year. He thanked the people of tribal areas for their cooperation and said that no innocent person would be implicated in any case. Commenting on the situation, Foreign Office spokesman Masood Khan said that legal status of the arrested persons would be determined after soliciting legal opinion in a couple of days. Well-placed sources told this scribe that the arrested persons were being looked after well and are being interrogated by various agencies. They have been kept in a secure place. The government has no plan to hand them over to any other country, the sources added. Message 19964134 Rascal Infoganda.com