To: Solon who wrote (16832 ) 3/30/2004 10:26:05 AM From: Greg or e Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931 "Argumentum ad verecundiam (argument or appeal to authority). This fallacy occurs when someone tries to demonstrate the truth of a proposition by citing some person who agrees, even though that person may have no expertise in the given area. For instance, some people like to quote Einstein's opinions about politics (he tended to have fairly left-wing views), as though Einstein were a political philosopher rather than a physicist. Of course, it is not a fallacy at all to rely on authorities whose expertise relates to the question at hand, especially with regard to questions of fact that could not easily be answered by a layman -- for instance, it makes perfect sense to quote Stephen Hawking on the subject of black holes. At least in some forms of debate, quoting various sources to support one's position is not just acceptable but mandatory. In general, there is nothing wrong with doing so. Even if the person quoted has no particular expertise in the area, he may have had a particularly eloquent way of saying something that makes for a more persuasive speech. In general, debaters should be called down for committing argumentum ad verecundiam only when (a) they rely on an unqualified source for information about facts without other (qualified) sources of verification, or (b) they imply that some policy must be right simply because so-and-so thought so. " Dr Maier is an expert in the specific field in question while all the sources you have cited are not. His is an informed, studied and scholarly opinion. Yours is simply bigotry in search of justification. The dismissal of Tacitus is without merit. You cite no evidence such as an earlier manuscript that does not contain the passage. No, instead we get conspiracy theories and baseless conjecture. The article I cited was not aimed at a scholarly audience, otherwise it would have quoted sources as he does in his books, however, it does represent the conclusion of an expert who has read and studied the source material. His main point in that article is this..Mythical personalities are not involved in authentic episodes from the past......Bottom line: In view of the many points of tangency between the Biblical and non-Biblical documentary evidence and the full correlation of these two, history also supports the complete historicity of Jesus of Nazareth......As hard evidence from the past, "the very stones cry out" the reliability of the Biblical record. It is amusing to note that many of the last century’s most trenchant critics of Jesus and the New Testament refused at first even to consider the result of archaeology, so counter to their opinions was its evidence! Today, I can’t imagine anyone, friend or foe of the faith, would be stupid enough to hold so foolish an attitude.