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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (10729)3/30/2004 8:28:45 AM
From: tontoRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
You changed your wording later on after I stated you were wrong. You did not start out on a percentage basis. Read your quote. You wrote it.

Your qualifications do not make you right and just because I own companies and pay some employees far more than you made, does not make me right, what makes the argument right are the facts. You believe the FICA tax to be unfair and costly yet you believe it unfair that after the limit is met it does not run forever... The problem to date has not been the funding, but the spending of the surplus within...can you imagine if that surplus and our money had been invested conservatively? Irresponsible management of money and we are forced to participate in a lousy program.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (10729)3/30/2004 9:23:14 AM
From: stockman_scottRead Replies (2) | Respond to of 81568
 
Kerry to Unveil Plan to Reduce Gas Prices
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By Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, March 30, 2004

SACRAMENTO -- With gasoline prices hitting new highs across the country, Sen. John F. Kerry plans to propose new policies on Tuesday for reducing auto fuel costs in a move certain to escalate the election-year political fight over prices at the pump.

Facing GOP attacks for advocating higher gas taxes as a senator, the Massachusetts Democrat will call on President Bush to apply greater pressure on oil-producing nations to increase production, in a bid to drive down crude oil prices, and to temporarily suspend filling U.S. oil reserves, said Stephanie Cutter, a Kerry spokeswoman.

Kerry will argue that diverting oil intended for U.S. reserves directly to the market will help depress gas prices, though analysts say that probably would have a negligible effect. Kerry also intends to reiterate his longer-term plans for decreasing the country's dependence on foreign oil and increasing its reliance on cleaner-burning alternative forms of energy.

As summer approaches, soaring gasoline costs are emerging as a top pocketbook concern of consumers and businesses with steep transportation costs, with prices at the pump topping $2 a gallon on the West Coast and averaging a record-high $1.80 nationwide.

The Democrats believe that the price of gas could become a major flash point in the presidential debate over oil, the economy, and even Iraq and broader Middle East foreign policies. As one measure of the political sensitivity of the issue, a group of House Republicans, looking ahead to Memorial Day visits to their districts, has formally asked the White House to do what Kerry is calling for -- ease pressure on prices by suspending shipments to the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, the government's emergency stockpile of oil.

Earlier this month, the Senate passed a nonbinding amendment, a matter the House has not taken up, calling for the suspension of shipments to the reserve. Sponsors contended that it could lower prices by a dime or more per gallon. Administration officials said they believe that suspending the purchases would have a negligible effect on gas prices. A senior administration official, who insisted on anonymity because he sets policy and is not a spokesman, said the White House would support such a move only in the case of a "severe supply disruption" such as an embargo or a political crisis in a major oil-producing crisis.

"There's not a heck of a lot of options for the administration," the official said. Administration officials said the White House sees lawmakers' concern about the high prices as an opportunity to win passage of a major energy bill that Bush has been pushing for since his first year in office. Bush's National Economic Council has scheduled a meeting for Wednesday to consider its legislative strategy on the bill, which the House passed last year. The Senate may take up the bill in coming weeks if the two parties can work out a dispute over amendments.

U.S. policymakers have had little success in exerting control over short-term gas prices, which ebb and flow based largely on world demand and oil production decisions made by the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries. Demand is expected to remain strong globally, and OPEC is scheduled to meet Wednesday to determine whether it will follow through on a previously planned cut in production.

The last time an administration tapped the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, the impact on price was negligible. When President Bill Clinton ordered the sale of 30 million barrels of oil on Sept. 22, 2000, the average price of regular gas had climbed to more than $1.56. By Oct. 24, when the oil began to hit the market, prices had slipped one penny, according to the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration.

Regardless of what short-term steps the administration or Congress may agree to, there is little hope that prices will sink significantly anytime soon, according to the Lundberg Survey of 8,000 stations nationwide. Gas prices climbed 3 cents more in the past two weeks to a record high in real dollar terms, the survey said. Early-1980s prices were markedly higher when adjusted for inflation.

"This administration has one economic policy for America: 3 million jobs lost and driving gas prices towards $3 a gallon," Kerry said in an economic speech here. Vice President Cheney responded by saying: "After voting three times to increase the gas tax and once proposing to increase it by 50 cents a gallon, he now says he doesn't support it."

As this back-and-forth shows, both parties believe the issue packs a political punch.

Of the nine states with the highest regular gas price increases, four -- Arizona, Nevada, Oregon and Washington -- are considered swing states in the upcoming elections.

In addition to Cheney's poke at Kerry in his speech, the Bush campaign dispatched surrogates to Minnesota, Arizona, Missouri, Maine and New Hampshire to hold news events criticizing Kerry for advocating a gas tax increase in the past.

Kerry did vote for the tax increase but has since said he opposes one. The Bush campaign has also linked Kerry's earlier call for a tax increase with his current support for raising fuel-economy standards on sport-utility vehicles and trucks -- a move strongly opposed by the auto industry and many consumers. Steve Schmidt, a spokesman for the Bush campaign, said Kerry has a "philosophy that an effective energy policy is manipulating what kind of automobiles Americans can afford to drive."

Kerry will use his new proposal to fault Bush for not applying adequate diplomatic pressure on oil-producing nations during his administration, Cutter said. A top Kerry policy adviser, who demanded anonymity to discuss a policy Kerry has yet to announce, said a key to lower gas prices over the long term is taking a tough line with OPEC nations.

Kerry will top his Tuesday speech in San Diego with his critique of Bush's oil and gas policies, Cutter said. He will also criticize Bush's management of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Presidents can tap the reserves if disruptions in oil supply threaten the economy.

"The Bush administration has put [the reserve] program on automatic pilot without regard to the short term effect on the U.S. market," the Kerry campaign said in a summary document provided to reporters.

Kerry would temporarily suspend filling the reserve until "oil prices return to normal levels," it states. Allen reported from Washington. Staff writer Jonathan Weisman in Washington contributed to this report.



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (10729)3/30/2004 11:28:26 AM
From: Original Mad DogRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
I ran the numbers and didn't come up with that result:

Message 19915242

Maybe you can tell me where the analysis is wrong:

I ran the numbers assuming Taxpayer A and Taxpayer B live in California (which has a graduated state income tax with exemption phaseouts for high income -- it also happens to be where the author of that post is located). And I didn't come up with 40 percent for Taxpayer A and a 40/32 blend for Taxpayer B. I came up with a maximum of 34% for Taxpayer A and 36%

Here's the math:

There are three components of taxation she is referring to:

1. Federal income taxes
2. Federal Social Security and Medicare taxes (which are supposed to be an insurance program anyway, not a tax strictly speaking)
3. State income taxes (some places have a local income taxes but not many, so we'll leave that out of it for now)

Her taxpayer A make 80,000 per year. If taxpayer A takes the standard deduction of $4,750 for single taxpayers, and has no other exemptions other than herself, her line 40 taxable income is reduced by $4,750 + $3,050 for that one personal exemption. This makes Taxpayer A's line 40 taxable income $72,200 ($80,000-$4750-$3050=$72,200). The federal income tax on $72,200 in line 40 taxable income on Form 1040 is $14,969, which comes out to 18.7 percent of Taxpayer A's income. The deductions set forth in this example are the minimum deductions and exemptions somebody can take. In many instances, for example if Taxpayer A pays mortgage interest, property tax, or relatively high state income tax, her itemized deductions would drive this number lower.

Now let's look at Taxpayer A's Social Security and Medicare taxes (called FICA for Federal Insurance Contributions Act, a name which suggests this is compulsory insurance rather than a tax). The rate for FICA is 6.2% of the first $87,000 of wages (not line 40 taxable income but actual wages paid before standard deduction and exemption) and 1.45% of all wages. Assuming Taxpayer A earned the entire $80,000 in wages, her FICA would be 7.65% of that or $6,120.

State taxes can vary widely. Let's use California as an example. In California, $80,000 of state wages for a single person combined with the standard state deduction of $3,070 would leave Taxpayer A with a taxable income of $76,930. The tax on that (before the personal exemption) is $6,235. The personal exemption for a single person is $82, subtracted from the $6,235 to get a state tax of $6,153. (This assumes no renter's credit or other special credits that are available. Source: ftb.ca.gov

So let's recap Taxpayer A's tax situation:

Income: $80,000
Federal Income Tax: $14,969
FICA: $6,120
State Income Tax: $6,153
Total Taxes and FICA Contributions: $27,242
Total Percentage Tax and FICA Contribution Combined: 34.0525%

It should also be noted that Taxpayer A is eligible for various education credits, Individual Retirement Accounts, and other credits which may further reduce her tax liability.

Now let's look at Taxpayer B. She makes $150,000 per year. If she takes the same standard deduction and personal exemption as Taxpayer A, that $150,000 is reduced by $4,750 + 3,050. Wait, not so fast. Taxpayer B is considered wealthy, so she does not get to keep her personal exemption in total. She must complete the worksheet in the tax instructions (page 35 of the booklet from the IRS), which will result in her personal exemption being reduced to $2,745. (If she made more that exemption would disappear entirely). So Taxpayer B's taxable income is $150,000 - $4,750 - $2,745 = $142,505.

The federal income tax on an single person's income of $142,505 is $14,010 + 28% of the amount exceeding $68,800.
The amount exceeding $68,800 is $73,705. 28 percent of $73,705 = $20,637. Therefore, Taxpayer B's total federal income tax liability is $34,647, or approximately 23.1% of her income.

Taxpayer B's FICA insurance contributions are 1.45% of the entire $150,000 plus 6.2% of the first $87,000 she makes. This works out to $2,175 + $5,394 = $7,569 in FICA contributions.

Taxpayer B's California state tax picture is as follows. In California, $150,000 in wages minus the single person's standard deduction of $3,070 would leave Taxpayer B with a taxable income of $146,930. California state tax rates on that income are calculated as $1,722.94 + 9.3 percent of of the amount exceeding $39,133. This works out to $1,722.94 + $10,025.12 ($146,930-39,133=107,797 * 9.3% = $10,025.12). Then, we must deduct the personal exemption from this tax liability to get the final number. But wait.... California also limits the application of the personal exemption for the "wealthy". So, Taxpayer B's personal exemption is reduced from $82 to $46 using the worksheet in the California state tax instructions.

This leaves Taxpayer B's California state tax liability at $1,722.94 + $10,025.12 - $46 = $11,702.06.

Taxpayer B's total tax and federal insurance picture is:

Income: $150,000
Federal Income Tax: $34,647
FICA: $7,569
State Income Tax: $11,702.06
Total Taxes and FICA Contributions: $53,918.06
Total Percentage Tax and FICA Contribution Combined: 35.9453%

So, even if you mischaracterize FICA as a tax and not as a compulsory insurance program, Taxpayer B still pays a higher rate than Taxpayer A. If you remove that distortion, the gap is more significant:

Taxpayer A Income: 80000
Taxpayer A state/federal income taxes: $21,122
Percentage: 26.4%

Taxpayer B Income: 150000
Taxpayer B state/federal income taxes: $46,349
Percentage: 30.9%

Taxpayer B pays at a rate 17% higher than Taxpayer A under that analysis.

One factor which would narrow that gap is the fact that under this particular scenario, Taxpayer A and Taxpayer B are paying more in state income taxes than the standard deduction for federal taxes. This would lower the tax bill for both, though by more for B since B is paying more in state income taxes than A. But all that does is lower both taxpayers' effective tax rate and narrow the gap a bit; it doesn't bump A's effective tax rate to Lizzie's claimed 40 percent, nor does it make A's effective tax rate higher than B's.

So I am mystified where she is getting her numbers from. If we have any tax experts out there, I'd love to here how her example works. Thanks in advance....