To: Greg or e who wrote (16896 ) 4/1/2004 10:11:49 AM From: Solon Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931 "Imagine! Atheism is less godly that Theism. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. " Apparently, it escaped you that some of those are not religions and thus "less worthy" and "less Godly" covers the set. It also escaped you that Godly has secular connotations of pious, worthy, and commendable. My advice? If you are reduced to such immature cavilling, then you need a good cry."As it happens, Josephus, who mentions John the Baptist, does not mention Jesus.http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=19347651 It is clear that you think any mention of Jesus found in the works of Josephus were placed there much later by others and therefore "Josephus,... does not mention Jesus. " You post a quote from Asimov (one of a series), and then call ME a liar?!! You really have lost it! As to what I have repeatedly said about Josepus, et al, I repeat Remsberg: Josephus, the renowned Jewish historian, was a native of Judea. He was born in 37 A.D., and was a contemporary of the Apostles. He was, for a time, Governor of Galilee, the province in which Christ lived and taught. He traversed every part of this province and visited the places where but a generation before Christ had performed his prodigies. He resided in Cana, the very city in which Christ is said to have wrought his first miracle. He mentions every noted personage of Palestine and describes every important event which occurred there during the first seventy years of the Christian era. But Christ was of too little consequence and his deeds too trivial to merit a line from this historian's pen. NO HISTORIAN mentions Jesus the GodMan as depicted in the gospels...EVEN IF WE ALLOW YOU YOUR INTERPOLATIONS. NOT one of those 42 writers mentioned by Remsberg made a single reference to Jesus feeding 5000 by turning water into wine, to Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead, to Jesus escaping the genocide of Herod, to the earth going into darkness for 3 hours, nor any of the stories mythologized in the gospels. Indeed, they are all virtually silent eben on the name, Jesus. If you wish to continue to play dense, be my guest. If you wish to continue with your potty mouth...be your own guest!"And I would add, ignorantly." Apparently, you cannot do otherwise. You certainly cannot argue the facts. You can only stick out your tongue and dance your hissy fit! But can you defend your position? NO!! You can only attack your opponent. "The very existence of this thread is an attack on The God of Christians and Jews specifically" Don't expose yourself as such a bloody nincompoop! You see it as an attack against Yahweh or Jesus because in your mind "God" is limited by the parameters of your personal ignorance. And by the way...Jesus is not a God of the Jews. Jesus might be Yahweh for Christians. But Yahweh is not Jesus for Jews. "You constantly denigrate and insult all who have the audacity to call you on your bigotry and hate" I see you have no defense at all, eh?! Just endless verbal diarrhea and malicious attack. Anyone with half a brain can see the fallacies in your statement and can appreciate the deceitfulness of it. Those who cannot instantly see the cowardliness of the act you are putting on are of no concern to me. And those of us who do see it instantly DO temper our disgust with a feeling of pity. It is easy to notice that I have nothing to respond to in your posts except your personal insults and attacks. This is the extent of your "defense". This is your "argument". "Too bad you didn't make this a moderated thread so you could silence all your critics" I have not silenced any of them, have I? "I see a great number of your disciples have seemingly abandoned you." Which disciples abandoned me? I have no disciples. Your personal attacks have become bizarre. Note that I have had to waste 20 minutes responding to drivel and personal attack and not ONE IOTA of argument related to the topic. Obviously, you think that invective and insult are sufficient to advance your superstitious dizziness into a higher grade. Well, in the University of Ninnies you would have a Doctorate! :-) -- LOL! The truth hurts, eh? The silence of history is overwhelming! Message 19969831