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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (6680)4/4/2004 8:30:33 AM
From: Chas.  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15987
 
I think you have to fight fire with fire, if the Israelis want to end the Palestinian terror tactics being used against them they have to kill more Palestinian baddies by using covert hit teams, special ops and black ops.
They have to eliminate the terrorist leadership once and for all...

Building walls will not get the job done..

they need to replace Sharon with a real hardliner...

regards from Chuck



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (6680)4/4/2004 3:13:39 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 15987
 
Hawk, haven't you noticed that the Palestinians routinely beg and demand internationalization of the conflict?

Only because they highly doubt the international community would become directly involved (because it doesn't). So instead, the European elites try and pacify them with moral support and anti-Israeli political stances in the UN.

Obviously they want the international community to become involved ON THEIR SIDE, justifying the CURRENT government and leaving it's power center intact under the protection of the UN forces.

But what I'm proposing is simply this.. That we state to both sides, Israelis and Palestinians, that if they can't, or simply refuse by all reasonable logic, to resolve their conflict, we'll do it for them.

And that would threaten the power centers of BOTH sides with the possibility of events being resolved in a manner disfavorable to either side's political and economic interests (at least for the power elite).

Were the UN/NATO forces to become involved, one of the mandates would be that any new Palestinian state would have to be democratic, with tolerance for other religions. It would certainly require considerable "re-programming" of the educational and social institutions there, but we're imposing a solution, remember? And such restructuring would be the "price" the power elites would have to pay for their political intransigence.

One could hardly see the UN/NATO permitting itself to sponsor the creation of an intolerant and non-democratic state in Palestine.

Even if they do get observed, for example using the "peacekeepers" as human shields, what are the UN troops going to do about it?

We would not be going in as "peace-keepers", but as nation builders. Building a Palestinian state that would focus on the average citizen there, not merely in shielding the current political elite and justifying their corrupt and intolerant rule.. NATO forces would be responsible for regbuilding social institutions according to a similiar constitution as we're seeing created in Iraq.

Bottom line... If Palestinians want a state, they can do it their way, or our way.... With the alternative being "no way" and the Israelis ousting them and launching a regional war...

Again, it not a particularly desirable scenario, but I believe that if the conflict is not resolved within the next couple of years, it may really become a major impediment to the social change you and I would both like to see in the Middle East.

We need to remove the major excuses these Arab "intelligentsia" spout for excusing the backwardness and non-accountability in their societies.

Hawk