To: Lane3 who wrote (37821 ) 4/4/2004 2:49:55 PM From: JohnM Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793742 It was right to dump the good-old-boy paradigm, but a mistake to cast aside balance and encourage a culture of victimization. I see what you mean but the sentence doesn't parse quite that way. It reads as if you are arguing two standards--good ol boy and balanced--were tossed in favor of "a culture of victimization." Again, to refer back to some previous posts, in practice these are all very complicated issues and badly politically used. But, to speak of my own experience, as a faculty member living in a first year dorm three nights a week, and participating in some of the campus judicial processes, it's better than that generalization, at least where I taught. Let me take a quick overview of a related but much more serious offense, campus rape which most often appeared as date rape. You are completely right in those instance, at least for us, in the first few years and I fought some of those battles on precisely the grounds you are now bothered by. It's the 20/20 hindsight issue now. But the system, to get a bit anthropomorphic, learned. Rights of accused were tossed at first but they iterated back in. Etc. It was far from perfect the last time I had any serious contact with it. But it was a great deal better than the good ol boy stuff. I think the system that accepted, somewhat but not completely, victim complaints was far better than it's predecessor, what you've called the good ol boy stuff. But that clearly needed work. I have no serious idea whether this path was followed on other campuses, but would be surprised if it were not. Campus administrators are parts of national networks, after all.