To: pgerassi who wrote (118379 ) 4/5/2004 5:30:31 PM From: Elmer Phud Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 275872 Pete -None of these are using 90nm. So what would a 90nm 300mm fab be doing producing these? Especially since Intel has many other fabs that do. None of them so far but you didn't make any reference to 90nm fabs. You just said Intel needed $X to be profitable and you placed the entire burden on CPUs. It doesn't work that way. As to SPEC, where are the benchmarks using normal production compilers with normal options like those that are used to make production software. The Intel compiler is a production compiler. You need to drop that old excuse. You are apparrently unaware of who is using it an where:intel.com IBM: " We are impressed with the results we have seen using the Intel Version 6.0 Compiler with IBM DB2 database software. The performance, reliability and compatibility of the compiler and the quality technical support Intel provides were important factors in selecting the Intel compiler for the future development of DB2 for Windows and Linux, for both the IA-32 and the Itanium architecture." Oracle: "We have been working with Intel for some time now and are impressed with the Intel C++ compilers. We are incorporating the Intel C++ 6.0 compiler into our development environment for the Oracle 9i Database because of the performance benefits it offers. It was also easy to incorporate into the way we work - it preserved the way our developers write and build their code. As we reviewed the use of the Intel compilers, we found Intel to be very responsive to our needs. We've found their support, and their commitment to support, to be outstanding." Silicon Graphics: "SGI's applications and performance engineers have put considerable effort into porting and tuning our customers' critical technical applications to the Intel Itanium 2 processor and the Linux operating system. We have been extremely pleased with the responsiveness of Intel's compiler development team to SGI's input on the unique challenges of high performance computing. Because of the joint effort, Intel 7.0 compilers for Linux produce increasingly efficient and reliable code for HPC applications on Itanium 2." CERN: "The Intel compilers have performed excellently on our ROOT code. On average, the Intel C++ Compiler for Linux produces executables that run 30% faster than ones produced by gcc 3.2. Due to the excellent compatibility with the GNU compilers, the porting effort was reduced to a minimum. Furthermore, the strong technical support that is provided with the Intel Compilers enables very quick turnaround on fixes for customer issues." Bull: "Our experience of using Intel C++ and Fortran compilers version 7 has been very positive. Users of Bull Itanium 2-based servers and Intel compilers can expect a breakthrough in scientific computing performance." University of California, San Diego: "The Intel Fortran Compiler 7.0 for Windows is a worthy successor to Compaq Visual Fortran and earlier Intel Fortran compilers, and remains head and shoulders above its competitors in both features and quality of implementation. Not only does this product retain source-code compatibility with earlier CVF and Intel compilers, but it flawlessly supports the entire ANSI Fortran 95 language specification."Bell-Laboratories, Lucent Technologies: "We are very impressed with the Intel C++ compiler and tools for the Intel XScale processor." There are many many more customer testimonies at the link above. This is 2004. Time for you to catch up with the times.