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To: TimF who wrote (186095)4/5/2004 8:34:53 PM
From: Road Walker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575047
 
re: There was vast quantities of land available. The government might have grabbed control over it and then given it to people to set up their farms but it didn't create the land.

Yes but they set all the rules, they economically engineered the results with their rules.

re: Protectionism is nothing new but the industrialization of America and the extra wealth and hire (SIC: higher) salaries that it created would have happened with or without a large degree of protectionism. Similarly the restrictions on women or on men from certain races may have helped white men relative to those groups but they did not "create the middle class".

Conjecture not fact.

re: I'm not nostalgic for the 1920s but the prosperity then was created by the market. Then as now the government did interfere in the market and redistribute wealth (it does the latter a lot more today) but the prosperity was created by people acting in a relatively free market.

Relative to what? To the current energy market?

re: 1 - Increases in productivity are not just in manufacturing.

2 - As less people can manufacture more goods through increased productivity the cost in terms of hours worked to buy those goods goes down. The people who no longer are need to produce goods can produce additional services. Production of both will increase faster then population growth.


More Burger Kings?

re: No it wasn't. Earlier in the same article the author says the "third middle class" was office workers and professionals. Neither their jobs, nor the fact that their jobs paid enough to make them members of the middle class, was created by government supplementation of their wages.

Think.

re: There never has been such a guarantee, even with systems of redistribution but the typical American continues to get wealthier.

NO, THEY DON'T. Certainly not in terms of quality of life.

re: I believe this is household income. The typical household is now smaller so the income per person, for all groups, has risen more then these figures suggest. Also the not many of the poorest have lost ground. Many people who where among the poorest no longer are. Many of the poorest are immigrants, esp. illegal immigrants and while they may be poorer in some ways then the poor in America in the past they are wealthier on the average in the US then they where in their home country.

You are living on another planet.
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But the point I was trying to make, in posting that article, is that social and economic engineering are endemic and conjoined with almost every part of our system. Every government contract has a winner an loser. Every tax creates a winner and a loser, every new road creates a winning business and a losing business, every decision by the FCC is a win/lose for companies and consumers, EVERY POLITICAL DECISION CREATES A MONATARY LOSS AND GAIN.

GOVERNMENT'S DEFINITION IS SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC ENGINEERING

You are wearing these stupid Ayn Rand ideological capitalist rose colored glasses. Take them off, look at reality.

The questions isn't if you believe in economic and social manipulation, or not; it's whose side you are on.

John