To: mishedlo who wrote (3691 ) 4/6/2004 12:40:35 PM From: russwinter Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 116555 <You ignore the possibility that this economic ship has already turned.> Oh, I'm not ignoring this at all, I can't. But I subscribe to Charles Kindleberger's "overtrading theory" which states people have to be dragged kicking and screaming towards the rationale behavior of downsizing their standard of living. And in the present set-up there is an asset bubble set-up (based on low interest rates , ) that allows them to borrow aggressively to continue on. Take away their refi boom, and they just go to credit cards. I think borrowing has had 7.5 times the impact on the economy that wages growth has. Americans have borrowed $1.5 tillion since 11/2001, they are only earned $200 billion more in wages. So low rates perpetuate this behavior and keeps the economy overheated. I'm not sure what your theory is on this, but it sounds like you think people (including China) just give up the ghost naturally or by tweaking policy (like China is attempting) a bit? So since our economy is 70% consumer based, what will precipitate our economic bust, just dead weight? No, I think it will be a forced catalyst. We may get a blow-off spike in commodities, but that doesn't mean they crash like some dot.com bubble. The problem is that we are basically in severe short supply, and much of this is in subsistence and items crucial to basic modern economic activity. <One bad jobs report and eurodollars make back all they lost IMO.> You see the issue as poor reporting, and a weak economy. I see the issue today as bad reports (yes we could get a bad jobs report, but also a string of compelling inflation evidence, that someone big panics over)an overheated economy (that has the potential of busting) and serious unacknowledged (the Big Lie) untreated inflation.