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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Greg or e who wrote (17010)	4/8/2004 2:23:06 AM
From: Scott Bergquist	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

"Only a minute portion of scholars ". Since when? The majority of scholars examining the =same= set of evidence even in the early 20th century have made a questioned the historicity of Jesus: "Some excitement has been caused in the religious world recently by the fact that the late Georg Brandes adopted the opinion that Jesus never existed..." "Whatever we think of the question of the historicity of Jesus, it is one of the most difficult things in the world to extract any reliable information about him from the only biographical documents we have; and even if we take the teaching ascribed to Jesus in the gospels as authentic, although, as I have shown, this would be a drastic violation of all ordinary rules of history, that teaching is not unique in any single particular or in its entirety. As I have said... I know of only one occasion on which any historical committee sat down to examine the gospel on ordinary historical principles, and all its members were Christians. Yet they candidly admitted that no single saying of Jesus in the Gospels can be proved to have existed in the first century." (Joseph McCabe 1867-1955) From the British paper the "Observer" (May 30, 1926)(Dr. Burch, theologian)"...the ablest book on the whole subject, " (Klausner's "Jesus of Nazareth) "twenty-four lines" from Jewish and pagan writers, and four of those are spurious. Of the twenty genuine lines twelve (universally regarded as spurious) are in the Jewish historian Josephus. In the immense Latin literature of the century after the death of Jesus there are only eight lines; and each of these is disputed." ----------------------------------- Sir J.G. Frazer writing, in his introduction to Dr. P.L. Couchoud's recent "Enigma of Jesus," that "whether Dr. Couchoud be right or wrong" in denying the historicity of Jesus, "he appears to have laid his finger on a weak point in the chain of evidence on which hangs the religious faith of a great part of civilized mankind." Your "position to know" is weakness, just as scholars who "knew" about flight and flying in the 19th century, by a huge majority, thought man would never fly. They =were= in a "position to know", unquestionably. They were wrong.

To: Greg or e who wrote (17010)	4/10/2004 6:47:02 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 28931

Here is a list of "miracles" landru.i-link-2.net I often wonder if Jesus was striking a blow for women's emancipation with the cure of the bleeding woman in Mat 9 ? Certainly it was a time of "spirits and demons" , though we all do know of how ill treated and considered "unclean" women were , or any that even accidentally touched them during menses . I suppose Jesus could have just came out and said this was unfair and be more clear , sans demons and evil spirits . Generally his treatment of women was mostly fair and he had his female followers and from them Jesus seems to learn his greatest lessons and inspirations in life ...and find clarification of his purposes. (And most of us living today , could all say the same ) Though the story of the cannanite women is haunting and depicts a mortal man with mortal bias and prejudice with a tendency to be a bit "overly~ defensive" for a God walking the earth, imo bible.gospelcom.net

To: Greg or e who wrote (17010)	4/10/2004 7:01:14 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Here is an interesting biblical map of Galilee for you (which has as its root " circle of circuit" from hebrew=galil) which you can click on each city for biblical/gospel references. ourfatherlutheran.net There is the village of Magdala which lay at the foot of the valley of the doves and magdalene is said to have come ...then the city a little north of Tabgha which would probably have been Peter's family home town , and from there you would be close to the fields of the feeding of the many folks , the mount of transfiguration, and sermon of the mount has been assumed to be near there . This is where Jesus probably spent much time living with Peter's family ....most of the processing of fish took place there , as fishermen would have to pay much higher taxes across the way over at Bethsaida , so Tabgha was definitely the place to go if one could. Might be of interest for your studies ....and please note that though born in bethlehem , the heroic figure you praise as "the only son of god" , is known only to have spent the briefest ministry in that small triangle in the north of Israel of about 25 or 30 miles total. Estimates from John to be of the length of 3yrs down to only 6mos from other readings into the gospels . Alot to happen in so short a time ? Or were there just already so many elements of the messiah-figure already in place ? Certainly that northern region had a great deal of of its share of wandering preachers , would be liberators , activists , and other "multitudes" of figures working thru it , both gentile and whatever. enjoy the "virtual" pilgrimage . ...but i suppose one could also go to Yosemite or Glacier or Joshua Tree National Parks ...or a trip to the moon and back .... all could be considered just as "holy places" , if the integrity of the pilgrim himself were kept in view and intact . It is not the "place" that matters. That is the biggest flaw of all and any Religion to not see that.