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To: Michelino who wrote (41739)	4/7/2004 11:00:56 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Blind Into Baghdad ___________________ The Atlantic Monthly January/February 2004 by James Fallows theatlantic.com "The U.S. occupation of Iraq is a debacle not because the government did no planning but because a vast amount of expert planning was willfully ignored by the people in charge. The inside story of a historic failure."

To: Michelino who wrote (41739)	4/7/2004 11:32:14 PM
From: lurqer	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 89467

respectable I'm not sure "respectable " is the right word. Perhaps fashionable would have been a better choice. I think we can agree that it has been fashionable on more than a few occasions. I've been bemoaning an unwarranted anti-Jewish neo-con backlash in this country, for some time now. I believe there is a real danger. Increasingly popular are books like The Politics of Anti-Semitism amazon.com Book Description "Antisemite!" How did a term, once used accurately to describe the most virulent evil, become a charge flung at the mildest critic of Israel, particularly concerning its atrocious treatment of Palestinians? One answer is that there's no more explosive topic in American public life today than the issue of Israel, its oppression of Palestinians and its influence on American politics. Yet the topic is one that is so hedged with anxiety, fury and fear, that honest discussion is often impossible. ----------------------------------- While this book may be fine ( Not having read it, I wouldn't know), there are hate groups ready to size any opportunity. And those quick to use the slur of anti-Semitism to stifle any dissent, are a serious part of the problem. JMO lurqer

To: Michelino who wrote (41739)	4/8/2004 7:52:49 AM
From: Crimson Ghost	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Yes quite a few Jews do not support these crazy warmongering polices, thank god. But the JEWISH ESTABLISHMENT ( ADL, Zionist Organization of America, AIPAC, JINSA, Conference of Presidents, etc.) does support and push them. And it is also a fact that most neo-cons are extreme right wing Zionist Jews. Does anybody really think the US would be in Iraq today if the Jewish Establishment opposed this?

To: Michelino who wrote (41739)	4/8/2004 8:47:30 AM
From: Crimson Ghost	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Why Won't Anyone Say They're Jewish The Controversial Canadian Magazine Article 4/6/2004 Commentary -- [Bill: This is a big controversy in Canada ...] adb usters.org/magazine/52/articles/jewish.html Why won't anyone say they are Jewish? Friends help each other out. That’s why the US sends billions of dollars every year to Israel. In return, Israel advances US strategic interests in the Middle East. But despite this mutual back scratching, Israeli-American relations are enduring a rough patch. Last December, a senior State Department official blasted Israel for having “done too little for far too long” to resolve the conflict with its Palestinian neighbors. Indeed, President Bush himself had scolded Israel a month earlier with his demand that “Israel should freeze settlement construction, dismantle unauthorized outposts, end the daily humiliation of the Palestinian people and not prejudice final negotiations with the building of walls and fences.” Harsh words, but is it all just window-dressing? This was not the first time Bush criticized Israel and he has made numerous calls for a “viable” Palestinian state during his presidency. Nevertheless, he has never concretely punished Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon for ignoring US directives and shrugging off his commitment to the peace process. It’s also worth noting that diplomatic admonitions are the responsibility of the State Department which has been on the losing end of the policy wars in Bush’s White House. One wonders what Israeli-American relations, and indeed what American relations with the rest of the world would look like if the neocon hawks who control Rumsfeld’s Defense Department were also in charge at State. A lot of ink has been spilled chronicling the pro-Israel leanings of American neocons and fact that a the disproportionate percentage of them are Jewish. Some commentators are worried that these individuals – labeled ‘Likudniks’ for their links to Israel’s right wing Likud party – do not distinguish enough between American and Israeli interests. For example, whose interests were they protecting in pushing for war in Iraq? Drawing attention to the Jewishness of the neocons is a tricky game. Anyone who does so can count on automatically being smeared as an anti-Semite. But the point is not that Jews (who make up less than 2 percent of the American population) have a monolithic perspective. Indeed, American Jews overwhelmingly vote Democrat and many of them disagree strongly with Ariel Sharon’s policies and Bush’s aggression in Iraq. The point is simply that the neocons seem to have a special affinity for Israel that influences their political thinking and consequently American foreign policy in the Middle East. Here at Adbusters, we decided to tackle the issue head on and came up with a carefully researched list of who appear to be the 50 most influential neocons in the US (see above). Deciding exactly who is a neocon is difficult since some neocons reject the term while others embrace it. Some shape policy from within the White House, while others are more peripheral, exacting influence indirectly as journalists, academics and think tank policy wonks. What they all share is the view that the US is a benevolent hyper power that must protect itself by reshaping the rest of the world into its morally superior image. And half of the them are Jewish. Kalle Lasn From the March/April 2004 issue of Adbusters magazine. The List: [Bill: Note that some fractional Jews or conversos have not been marked Jewish, though they are ...] Norman Podhoretz* Irving Kristol* Midge Decter* Jeane Kirkpatrick Paul Wolfowitz* Douglas Feith* Peter Rodman Stephen Cambone Donald Rumsfeld Dick Cheney I Lewis Libby* Elliot Abrams* Zalmay Khalilzad John Bolton Dov Zakheim* Robert B Zoelleck* Richard Perle* R James Woolsey Eliot Cohen* Robert W Tucker Francis Fukuyama William Kristol* Robert Kagan* Gary Schmitt Ellen Bork David Wurmser* Joshua Muravchik* Reuel Marc Gerecht Michael Novak Fr Richard J Neuhaus Meyrav Wurmser* Irwin Stelzer* Rupert Murdoch Richard Mellon Scaife Thomas Donnelly Owen Harries Michael Ledeen* Frank Gaffney Max Boot Gary Bauer William Bennett Daniel Pipes* Lawrence Kaplan* Marty Peretz* Charles Krauthammer* David Brooks* Fred Barnes John Podhoretz* Neal Kozodoy* Jonah Goldberg*

To: Michelino who wrote (41739)	4/13/2004 6:22:34 PM
From: Thomas M.	Respond to of 89467

... the main impediments to a middle-eastern settlement are Sharon and the Bush administration’s dogmatic refusal to let Arafat come to the table. The intifada of 2000 grew into the mess of today starting with Sharon's impeccable timed instigation which was in step with the American electoral crisis of 2000. Bush then claimed his crown as fool of the new millennia by choosing to ignore advisors such as Clarke while simultaneously disenfranchising the Palestinian people from the peace process for the first time since 1993. While hardly noticed at your local mall, Bush's open contempt for Palestinian rights in early 2001 ... Excellent comments! Contempt for the rights of Palestinians (and the rest of the 3rd world) is de rigeur in American intellectual circles. Tom