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To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (8951)4/8/2004 2:07:13 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976
 
and of course NO ONE has YET to come up with ANY suspects for those that TRADED 1000's of OPTIONS OF AIRLINES IN ANTICIPATION OF THE ATTACKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course it will lead to SAUDI ARABIA, BUSH FAMILY COVERT ALLY
CC



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (8951)4/8/2004 7:17:28 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976
 
Hi Karen,

Re: The only honest answers Condi gave were that during the months before 9/11 she was unaware of anything.

Actually, from my research I've reached the conclusion that Sleazza is even lying there.

Her "failure to recall" reminds me of that same odious stench of dishonesty that surrounded Ron Reagan play acting at unfamiliarity with the Iran-Contra planning. Or with the infamous bout of amnesia suffered by JCS Chairman Ricard Myers at his confirmation hearings, two days after the tragedy of 9/11. Myers, as the head of the Air Force on 9/11 bears special guilt for the stand-down that occurred that day.

General information on the stand down:
standdown.net

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Specific to Gen. Myers:

cooperativeresearch.org

From Paul Thompson's Timeline:

(After 8:48 a.m.)

Air Force General Richard Myers, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, sees the first WTC crash on television. Myers will be acting Chairman of the US military during the 9/11 crisis because Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army General Henry Shelton is flying in a plane across the Atlantic. He sees the TV in an outer office of Senator Max Cleland, but he says, “They thought it was a small plane or something like that,” so he goes ahead and meets with Cleland. He says “nobody informed us” about the second WTC crash, and remains oblivious that there is an emergency, only leaving the meeting with Cleland right as the Pentagon explosion takes place at 9:38. [AFPS, 10/23/01,
defenselink.mil
ABC News, 9/11/02]
cooperativeresearch.org

Yet, in testimony on September 13, 2001, he states, “after the second tower was hit, I spoke to the commander of NORAD, General Eberhart. And at that point, I think the decision was at that point to start launching aircraft.” [Myers Confirmation Testimony, 9/13/01]
cooperativeresearch.org
NORAD claims the first fighters are scrambled even before the first WTC hit. [NORAD, 9/18/01]
cooperativeresearch.org

<See next post for Confirmation Hearings Amnesia....>



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (8951)4/8/2004 8:01:30 PM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 173976
 
RICHARD MYERS CONFIRMATION HEARING: The King of Amnesia

cooperativeresearch.org

Selected quotes from the question and answer period. I note that this man is being confirmed to lead this nation's military forces. What we will see here is a pattern of dissembling, deceit, deliberate obtuseness and obfuscation.

The Senators cited here include Sen. Carl Levin (D. MI) and Sen. Bill Nelson (D. FL). Questions from the Republicans on the Armed Services committee that day were servile, pointless and disrespectful of role Congress should be playing in a democracy. They have not been included because of their essential uselessness.

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LEVIN: Can you tell us about what percent of the Pentagon's work space is out of commission? Do you have any estimate of that?

MYERS: I don't know the exact square footage, sir.

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LEVIN: Was the Defense Department contacted by the FAA or the FBI or any other agency after the first two hijacked aircraft crashed into the World Trade Center, prior to the time that the Pentagon was hit?

MYERS: Sir, I don't know the answer to that question. I can get that for you, for the record.

[[NOTE TO READERS: I have not been able to secure this reply in the intervening 30 months since 9/13/01. If anyone has seen this or has a URL to share, I would love to get Gen. Myers responses to these many unanswered questions into my dossier on 9/11. Thank you.]]

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NELSON: The second World Trade tower was hit shortly after 9:00. And the Pentagon was hit approximately 40 minutes later. That's approximately. You would know specifically what the timeline was.

The crash that occurred in Pennsylvania after the Newark westbound flight was turned around 180 degrees and started heading back to Washington was approximately an hour after the World Trade Center second explosion. You said earlier in your testimony that we had not scrambled any military aircraft until after the Pentagon was hit. And so, my question would be: why?

MYERS: I think I had that right, that it was not until then. I'd have to go back and review the exact timelines.

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BILL NELSON: Perhaps we want to do this in our session, in executive session. But my question is an obvious one for not only this committee, but for the executive branch and the military establishment.

If we knew that there was a general threat on terrorist activity, which we did, and we suddenly have two trade towers in New York being obviously hit by terrorist activity, of commercial airliners taken off course from Boston to Los Angeles, then what happened to the response of the defense establishment once we saw the diversion of the aircraft headed west from Dulles turning around 180 degrees and, likewise, in the aircraft taking off from Newark and, in flight, turning 180 degrees? That's the question.

I leave it to you as to how you would like to answer it. But we would like an answer.

MYERS: You bet. I spoke, after the second tower was hit, I spoke to the commander of NORAD, General Eberhart. And at that point, I think the decision was at that point to start launching aircraft.

One of the things you have to understand, senator, is that in our posture right now, that we have many fewer aircraft on alert than we did during the height of the Cold War. And so, we've got just a few bases around the perimeter of the United States.

So it's not just a question of launching aircraft, it's launching to do what? You have to have a specific threat. We're pretty good if the threat's coming from outside. We're not so good if the threat's coming from inside.

[[RGD: Standard operating procedure for the FAA and NORAD at this time was to intercept and commercial or general aviation that was deviating from flight plan and which the air traffic controllers could not reach for corrective procedures. Why Myers fails to mention this has me completely baffled. He must know this fact about standard procedure.]]

In this case, if my memory serves me -- and I'll have to get back to you for the record -- my memory says that we had launched on the one that eventually crashed in Pennsylvania. I mean, we had gotten somebody close to it, as I recall. I'll have to check that out.

I do not recall if that was the case for the one that had taken off from Dulles. But part of it is just where we are positioned around this country to do that kind of work because that was never -- it goes back to Senator Collins' issue. Is this one of the things that we'll worry about. You know, what's next?

But our posture today is not one of the many sites and the many tens of aircraft on alert. We just have a handful today.

[[NOTE: At this time, the Andrews AFB website was "down". When it came back up a few days later, two National Air Guard squadrons had mysteriously disappeared from the website. A red flag? Sure is to me.]]

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LEVIN: Thank you, Senator Nelson.

General Myers, just a very brief request. When I asked you what time it was that the FAA or the FBI notified the Defense Department after the first World Trade -- the two crashes into the World Trade Center and you indicated you didn't know the time. Could you ask someone on your staff to try to get us that time, so that we will have that either before this session here or for executive session?

MYERS: Mr. Chairman, I just did that.

[[RGD: We are still waiting for anything definitive on this topic in the public literature on this subject. The FAA and NORAD have provided conflicting testimony to the Kean Commission. I've seen nothing from Myers' staff on the matter.]]

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BILL NELSON: Mr. Chairman, may I, just for the record? Commenting from CNN on the timeline, 9:03 is the correct time that the United Airlines flight crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center; 9:43 is the time that American Airlines flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon. And 10:10 a.m. is the time that United Airlines flight 93 crashed in Somerset County, Pennsylvania.

So that was 40 minutes between the second tower being hit and the Pentagon crash. And it is an hour and seven minutes until the crash occurred in Pennsylvania.

LEVIN: The time that we don't have is when the Pentagon was notified, if they were, by the FAA or the FBI or any other agency, relative to any potential threat or any planes having changed direction or anything like that. And that's the same which you will give us because that's . . .

MYERS: I can answer that. At the time of the first impact on the World Trade Center, we stood up our crisis action team. That was done immediately.

So we stood it up. And we started talking to the federal agencies. The time I do not know is when NORAD responded with fighter aircraft. I don't know that time.

LEVIN: Or the time that I asked you for, which was whether the FAA or FBI notified you that other planes had turned direction from their path, their scheduled path, and were returning or aiming towards Washington, whether there was any notice from any of them, because that's such an obvious shortfall if there wasn't.

MYERS: Right.

LEVIN: And in any event, but more important, if you could get us that information.

MYERS: It probably happened. ,b>As you remember, I was not in the Pentagon at that time, so that part of it is a little hazy. After that, we started getting regular notifications through NORAD, FAA to NORAD, on other flights that we were worried about.

And we knew about the one that eventually crashed in Pennsylvania. I do not know, again, whether we had fighters scrambled on it. I have to . . .

LEVIN: If you could get us those times then. We know you don't know them.

MYERS: But we'll get them.

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TTBOMK, we are still waiting for these answers......

30 months is a long time to remain patient, IMHO.



To: Karen Lawrence who wrote (8951)4/8/2004 8:31:25 PM
From: BubbaFred  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 173976
 
September 11 families say Rice testimony fails to answer all questions
Thu Apr 8, 5:10 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Relatives of September 11 attacks victims said testimony given by national security adviser Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) to an official commission failed to fully explain why the United States was caught off guard by al-Qaeda.

"I think she really danced around the issues," said Mary Fetchet, whose son Bradley, 24, perished when terrorists flew a jetliner into the second World Trade Center tower on September 11, 2001.

"She gave very vague responses. Questions that she didn't want to answer, she didn't answer," said Fetchet.

She said she had hoped Rice would follow the example of former counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke, who in testimony to the commission two weeks ago apologized to the families for the government's failure to prevent the attacks.

"She doesn't accept that she did not make good decisions, that she as national security adviser did not do what she was supposed to do," said Fetchet, who said her son might be alive today if the government had heeded the clues about an impending terror strike.

"Any mother will tell you, you need to learn from your mistakes so that you don't make them again. Unless people are ... honest about what the failures were and take some accountability for those failures, what are we really going to resolve?" she asked.

Some relatives felt however, that mea culpas were not called for.

"I think an apology would be inappropriate," said Debra Burlingame, whose brother Charles was the pilot of the plane that rammed the Pentagon (news - web sites).

"It wouldn't have mattered who was in the Oval Office on September 11. Nothing they could have done could have prevented my brother's murder and the murder of 3,000 other people," she said.

"We had breakdowns in our intelligence agencies, we had breakdowns with the FBI (news - web sites), we had legal barriers that prevented them from sharing information -- she explained all that," she said.

The biggest lesson from 9/11, Burlingame continued, was that "we have new enemies. We have to look ahead. We know now that there are individuals with laptops and cell phones and an overriding desire to kill Americans."

Hers appeared to be a minority view among family members however. Beverly Eckert, who lost her husband Sean Rooney in the World Trade Center attack, said she feared Americans were no safer today than before 9/11, especially since the US-led war on Iraq (news - web sites).

"The war in Iraq diverted resources. Honestly I don't know that we're stopping terrorism by agitating that segment of the world," she said. "I don't think we're safer from terrorism. I think we're less safe."

Rosemary Dillard said she felt the "utmost respect" for Rice's grace under fire on the witness stand, but was unconvinced by the testimony, saying much of what Rice -- one of President George W. Bush (news - web sites)'s most trusted aides -- had to offer was "spin."

"She would go on and on, and by the time she finished nobody knew what the original question was."

"She appears to be a very good person. She also appears to be the person who's going to protect her boss," said Dillard, whose husband Eddie was a passenger on the airliner that slammed into the Pentagon.

"I think our government owes us some answers," Dillard said. "We need to know that I can get on an airplane and not have this happen, or I can get on a train. I need to know that the government agencies that are supposed to protect us, protect us."

Helga Gerhardt and her husband Hans, originally from Germany, said they had been frustrated that the information flow was slow, but, after attending the hearings, said they are piecing together the events which took the life of their son Ralph at the World Trade Center.

"I'm getting more answers over time," said Gerhardt, who has lived for nearly four decades in Canada.

"For us it's more important now to find out why this happened. When we saw it on television, we knew immediately that this was a terrorist attack. Why did it take so long to mobilize to protect the sites?"

Despite having attended hours of commission hearings, she said, "I'm still not 100 percent sure I understand."

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