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To: Greg or e who wrote (17023)4/8/2004 4:55:58 PM
From: TigerPaw  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
The impression that I got from that show was that the Jesus movement supplied an avenue of worship for a class and following that were disenfranchised by the system of gods and patronage for those gods in Rome.

TP



To: Greg or e who wrote (17023)4/9/2004 11:23:17 PM
From: Scott Bergquist  Respond to of 28931
 
I doubt that none of the scholars at this college deny the worthiness and "truthfulness" of the main subject at the college:

astrocollege.com

At Biola College, you would be hard-pressed to find anyone who questioned the authenticity of the Jesus story. And if you just focus on religion-based colleges, it would seem like "most" scholars accept Jesus as the Son of God, etc. Yet in most History Departments at major and minor (non-religious)universities I think you would find many scholars, if not most, who, applying the principles of historical research, would allow that the evidence for the existence of Jesus is overwhelmingly scant. But few even delve into it for the purpose of determining Jesus' actual existence, because the history of Christianity and the world is =real=, so it is 'moot' to them whether he existed or not. 98% of history scholars study what happened AFTER the supposed period of his life, or prior to it. It would make zero difference to that recorded history if it so turned that Jesus truly existed, or never existed, or even if he was actually God. Would not matter! I think you are confusing the fact that Christianity actually is documented and extrapolating it to the position that, "If a scholar accepts Christianity within history, then that scholar must also accept that Jesus did historically exist."

It's kind of like saying that observing a Jesus on the dashboard of a car means that automobiles existed when Jesus was alive, and the fact that numerous dashboard Jesuses have been observed is proof of that correlation.



To: Greg or e who wrote (17023)4/11/2004 12:56:10 PM
From: Solon  Respond to of 28931
 
"Did you notice how none of the historians deny that Jesus existed? That's because almost no body with any credibility would make such an absurd claim"

LOL!! The majority of scholars are quite comfortable with the bible as myth literature. You don't need to take it so personally!

The first thing required is to deflect your intention to confuse and muddy separate issues of inquiry. The issue of belief in a mortal Jesus as partly or wholly responsible for the growth of Christianity before Paul is entirely separate from the issue of belief in a Divine Jesus as depicted in the gospel stories.

Jesus, the man

Is there evidence that a man named Jesus inspired the Christian movement? No. There is nothing but some Christian interpolations in historical documents written after his alleged life. There is NOTHING written during His life in spite of the most extraordinary claims of fame made by later writers. Nor is there any description.

As well, it seems more than coincidental that His “life” embodies legends, myths, and elements of mystery religions which intertwine throughout human history. And one can hardly ignore that what is written about him as hearsay accounts in later decades is notably contradictory and worthless in any evidentiary sense. Nevertheless, it is not out of the question to surmise that Christianity may have relied upon one or more actual figures. There were many named Jesus; there were many “Messiahs”. It was an age of superstition where disease and mental illness were caused by “demons” and where natural phenomena were considered the work of “Spirits” who needed to be cajoled or overcome by stronger “Spirits”. Thus, many scholars are amenable to the idea that the mythical Jesus of gospel fame might have been composed from elements of a real man or men--or more probably “myth-men”.

As to our discussion, Greg, it matters little whether we accept the possibility of an amorphous “Jesus” as an inspiration for Christianity. This is separate from the claim of the gospels, that a Divine Jesus was truly evidenced and recorded.

Jesus, the Divine

Everything written about Jesus the Divine was written after His alleged life and is strictly hearsay. He is depicted in the gospels as having supernatural abilities which carried His fame throughout the world and created multitudes of followers. Not only are the claims contradictory and extraordinary, but they are amusing in their transparency and in their naivety. These stories are no more evidenced than the stories of thousands of myths throughout ancient and modern history. The most notable things about these stories is they all were written decades after the time being examined, and embody themes prevalent in many religious myths throughout history. Out of scores of historians living during the alleged time of Christ or within the first century after his death, there are NO reliable references to this person by legitimate historians—this in spite of the fact that Christianity was a movement which threatened the social and political structure and was to take over the Roman Empire through the half-conversion of Constantine.

Even centuries later when the Church fathers attempted to proselytize and to validate Christianity and the Christian myths…it is most notable that no reference to the alleged comment of Josephus occurs. This is sufficient to convince anyone with even half a brain, that Josephus was interpolated by later Christians. This, in fact, is incontrovertible. In the eyes of history, Jesus, the Divine, never existed and is nothing but a faceless and bodiless composite carrier of innumerable myths and legends of Judaic doctrine mixed with other pagan beliefs.

All of this is very obvious to anyone who reads the stories of the bible and who honestly considers the contradictory and puerile aspects involved. To raise superstition to the level of modern belief is a denial of ones basic intelligence and ones ability to reason with objectivity.

You have tried to mislead others by your false accusations against scholarship. You have claimed that skeptical scholars are "out of date". <g> But this is a falsity and a red herring. You have also tried to belittle the idea that scholars (except for those with Christian prejudice and bias) universally discredit the myth stories that Jesus was an actual Divine. However, your barking is barely heard for the passing of the caravan.

It must be clear, even to one who is prejudiced by an a priori conviction, that ONLY Christian scholars believe that the gospels depict a Divine Christ. In other words…the vast majority of historians, archeologists, etc. throughout our world DO NOT believe that the gospels relate to actual historical events of a Divine Being. If a scholar believed that Jesus was real and Divine they would become a Christian. As most scholars are NOT Christians it follows that most scholars do NOT believe in Christ as a real being, and do NOT find the gospels evidentiary.

You seem to believe you can rescue your sandman by appeal to authority and to "Christian consensus", but your attempts to do so are as transparent as they are pathetic and poignant.

In the next post I will reference just one of thousands of non-Christian scholars who are both modern (as most contemporary scholars are!) and credentialed (as most are!).

Name: Robert M. Price

Degrees:


Doctor of Philosophy, New Testament; Drew University, Madison NJ; May 1993

Master of Philosophy, New Testament; Drew University, Madison NJ; October 1992

Doctor of Philosophy, Systematic Theology; Drew University, Madison NJ; May, 1981

Master of Theological Studies, New Testament; Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, South Hamilton MA; May 1978

Bachelor of Arts, Philosophy and Religion; History; Montclair State College, Upper Montclair NJ; May 1976

Affiliations:

Society of Biblical Literature

The Westar Institute (Jesus Seminar; Paul Seminar; Canon Seminar)

Collegium

Member, Schleiermacher Colloquium (AAR)

Editor, The Journal of Higher Criticism

Historical Consultant, A&E Network "Mysteries of the Bible."

Director of the Center for Inquiry (NJ/NY) and Professor of Biblical Criticism for The Center for Inquiry Institute

Publications:

"A Fundamentalist Social Gospel?," Christian Century, 11/28/79, XCVI # 39

"Homiletical Hermeneutics in Paul Tillich," Drew Gateway, Fall 79, 50 # 1

"Author's Response: Wielding the 'Prophetic Ramrod'," Christian Century, 3/5/80 XCVII # 8

"Punished in Paradise (An Exegetical Theory on 2 Corinthians12:1-10)," Jrnl for the Study of the NT # 7, 1980

"Devil's Advocates: The New Charismatic Demonology," Agora, Spring 80

Paradigm-Shifting and the Apologetics Debate," Jrnl of the American Scientific Affiliation, 6/80, 32 # 2

"The Return of the Navel, The 'Omphalos' Argument in Contemporary Creationism," Creation/Evolution, Fall 80, # 11

"What's New in Christianity?," Drew Gateway, Fall 80, 51 # 1

"The Centrality and Scope of Conversion," Jrnl of Psychology and Theology, Spring 81, 9 # 1

"Charis-Magic: Super-Apostles and the Retreat from Religion to Sorcery," Agora, Spring 81

"In Defense of the Miraculous: A Clarification," Jrnl of Psychology and Theology, Summer 81, 9 # 2

"The Personal Savior: Reclaiming the Language of Piety," Reformed Jrnl, 8/81, 31 # 8

"Counseling for Re-Entry," NICM Jrnl, Fall 81, 6 # 3

"Numbered Among the Transgressors, The 'Zealot Hypothesis' Reconsidered," Drew Gateway, Fall 81, 51 # 1

"Niebuhr's Doctrine of Revelation in Contemporary Theology," Themelios 9/81, 7 #1

"Evangelism as Entertainment," Christian Century, 11/4/81, 98, # 35

"Some Difficulties in Process Christology," Crux, 12/81, XVII # 4

"Must We Take a Leap of Faith? (Have We Already?)," American Rationalist, 3-4/82 XXVI # 6

"Evangelicals and their Separated Brethren," New Conversations, Spr. 82, 6 # 3

"Old-Time Religion and the New Physics," Creation/Evolution, Summer 82. # IX

"Risen Indeed? Three Views of the Resurrection," Drew Gateway, Fall 82, 53 #1

"Neither Gay Nor Straight: Biblical Christianity," Frying Pan, 12/82

"Scientific Creationism and the Science of Creative Intelligence," Creation/Evolution, Winter 82, # VII

"Teaching the Bible on a Tightrope: The Secular Classroom," UME Connexion, Spring 83, 11 # 1

"Inerrant the Wind: The Troubled House of North American Evangelicalism," Evangelical Quarterly, 7/83, LV # 3

"Masochism and Piety," Jrnl of Religion & Health, Summer 83, 22 # 2

"An Evangelical Version of the 'Double Covenant': New Possibilities for Jewish-Fundamentalist Dialogue," Jrnl of Ecumenical Studies, Win. 83, 20 #1

"Evangelism for Young Evangelicals," Religion & Intellectual Life, Fall 84, II #1

"Creationist and Fundamentalist Apologetics: Two Branches of the Same Tree," Creation/Evolution, Fall 84, # XIV

"Round Two?," Circuit Rider, 11-12/84, 8 # 10

"Inerrancy: The New Catholicism?," SBC Today, 8-9/86, 4 # 5

"Neo-Evangelicals and Scripture, A Forgotten Period of Ferment," Christian Scholar's Review, XV # 4, 1986

"Born-Again Cults, The Mental Maze of Salvation," American Rationalist, 9-10/86, XXXI # 3

"Vintage Fundamentalism," Wittenburg Door, 10-11/86

"Illness Theodicies in the New Testament," Jrnl of Religion & Health, Winter 86

"The Theological Assumptions of Open-Mindedness," Religious Humanism, Fall 87

"Half a Loaf: The LARC Study Day on the Eucharist," Cross Current of the Episcopal Diocese of East Carolina, 11/87

"Enacted Theology," Cross Current of the Episcopal Diocese of East Carolina, 2-3/88

"A Priestly People, Some Basics of Liturgical Theology," Cross Current of the Episcopal Diocese of East Carolina, 4/88

"Clark H. Pinnock: Conservative and Contemporary," Evangelical Quarterly, 4/88, LXXXVIII # 2

"Evangelistic Opportunities Abound," Cross Current of the Episcopal Diocese of East Carolina, 5-6/88

"Homosexuality in the Old Testament / Homosexuality in the New Testament," Cross Current of the Episcopal Diocese of East Carolina, 8/88

"Major Theological Issues Before the Great War," Mount Olive Review, Spring 88.

"Is it a Sin to Preach the Gospel?," Voices in the Wilderness, 3-4/89

"The Sitz-im-Leben of Third John: A New Reconstruction," Evangelical Quarterly, LXI # 2, 4/89

"The Metaphysics of Murphy's Law," Skeptical Inquirer, 14 # 1, Fall 89

"Jesus' Burial in a Garden: The Strange Growth of the Tradition," Religious Traditions, 12, 1989

"Schleiermacher as Historian and Believer," Unitarian Universalist Christian, Fall/Winter 89, 44 # 3-4

"Suffering Not Witches (Why Evangelical Christians Oppose the Occult)," Christian*New Age Quarterly, 10-12/89

"The Way, the Truth, and the Life," Christian*New Age Quarterly, 4-6/90

"Mary Magdalene: Gnostic Apostle?," Grail: An Ecumenical Journal, 6/90, 6 # 2

"Confirmation and Charisma," Saint Luke's Journal of Theology, 6/90, XXXIII # 3

"How Much New Age Belief Can Christianity Assimilate?," Christian*New Age Quarterly, 10-12/90

"Is There a Place for Historical Criticism?" Religious Studies, 27, 1991

"Corn King Christianity," Christian*New Age Quarterly, 4-6/91

"Excerpts from the Politically Correct Revised Standard Version," The Door, 9-10/91

"Intro(se)duction," Introduction to Donald R. Burleson, Begging to Differ: Deconstructionist Readings (Bristol, RI: Hobgoblin Press, 1992)

"The Christ Myth and the Christian Goddess," Christian*New Age Quarterly, 10-12/92

"The New PCSV: Excerpts from the Politically Correct Standard Version," On Being, 5/93

"Fields Unknown: A Thought-Experiment in Extraterrestrial Evangelism," Christian *New Age Quarterly, 7-9/93

"In the Beginning Was the Deed: A Neo-Girardian Look at the Passion Narrative," Foundations & Facets Forum, Volume 9, # 3-4, 9-12/93

"The Bible, Corrected," First Things, 1/94, # 39

"Iron John the Baptist," Christian*New Age Quarterly, 7-9/94

"Apocryphal Apparitions: 1 Corinthians 15:3-11 as a Post-Pauline Interpolation," Journal of Higher Criticism, Fall 95, 2 # 2

"Yardstick for Lunatics: One Point of View," The Door 9-10/95

"From the Religious to the Spiritual," Christian*New Age Quarterly, 7-9/96

"If You Dislike Christianity, You'll Hate Buddhism!" Christian*New Age Quarterly, 10-12/96

"If You Dislike Christianity, You'll Hate Buddhism!" Deolog, Vol. III, 12, 11/96.

"Antichrist Superstar and the Paperback Apocalypse," Deolog, Vol. IV, 1, Jan/Feb 97

"Protestant Hermeneutical Axiomatics: A Deconstruction," Christian*New Age Quarterly 4-6/97

"The Postmodernist Challenge to Unitarian Universalist Theology" Religious Humanism (forthcoming)

"The Perils of Postmodernizing Theology" Religious Humanism (forthcoming)

"The Evolution of the Pauline Canon," Hervormde Teologiese Studies (forthcoming)

"Joseph Smith, Inspired Author of the Book of Mormon" in Brent Metcalfe (ed.), The Tradition of Our Fathers. Signature Books, forthcoming in 1998.

"Apologetics Means Never Having to Say You're Sorry," in Jeffrey J. Lowder (ed.), The Jury Is In, Humanist Press (forthcoming)

"Saint John's Apothecary: Difference, Textuality, and the Advent of Meaning," in Biblical Interpretation: A Journal of Contemporary Approaches (forthcoming)



To: Greg or e who wrote (17023)4/11/2004 1:05:29 PM
From: Solon  Respond to of 28931
 
Christ a Fiction (1997)

Robert M. Price


"I remember a particular Superboy comic book in which the Boy of Steel somehow discovers that in the future, he is thought to be as mythical as Peter Pan and Santa Claus. Indignant at this turn of events, he flies at faster than light speed and enters the future to set the record straight. He does a few super-deeds and vindicates himself, then comes home. So Superboy winds up having the last laugh --or does he?

Of course, it is only fiction! The people in the future were quite right! Superboy is just as mythical as Santa Claus and Peter Pan.

This seems to me a close parallel to the efforts of Christian apologists to vindicate as sober history the story of a supernatural savior who was born of a virgin, healed the sick, raised the dead, changed water into wine, walked on water, rose from the grave and ascended bodily into the sky.

I used to think, when I myself was a Christian apologist, a defender of the evangelical faith, that I had done a pretty respectable job of vindicating that story as history. I brought to bear a variety of arguments I now recognize to be fallacious, such as the supposed closeness of the gospels to the events they record, their ostensibly use of eyewitness testimony, etc. Now, in retrospect, I judge that my efforts were about as effective in the end as Superboy's! When all is said and done, he remains a fiction.

One caveat: I intend to set forth, briefly, some reasons for the views I now hold. I do not expect that the mere fact that I was once an evangelical apologist and now see things differently should itself count as evidence that I must be right. That would be the genetic fallacy. It would be just as erroneous to think that John Rankin [?] must be right in having embraced evangelical Christianity since he had once been an agnostic Unitarian and repudiated it for the Christian faith. In both cases, what matters is the reasons for the change of mind, not merely the fact of it.

Having got that straight, let me say that I think there are four senses in which Jesus Christ may be said to be a "fiction."

First (and, I warn you, this one takes by far the most explaining): It is quite likely, though certainly by no means definitively provable, that the central figure of the gospels is not based on any historical individual. Put simply, not only is the theological "Christ of faith" a synt hetic construct of theologians, a symbolic "Uncle Sam" figure. But if you could travel through time, like Superboy, and you went back to First-Cen tury Nazareth, you would not find a Jesus living there. Why conclude this? There are three reasons, which I must oversimplify for time's sake.

1) In broad outline and in detail, the life of Jesus as portrayed in the gospels corresponds to the worldwide Mythic Hero Archetype in which a divine hero's birth is supernaturally predicted and conceived, the infant hero escapes attempts to kill him, demonstrates his precocious wisdom already as a child, receives a divine commission, defeats demons, wins acclaim, is hailed as king, then betrayed, losing popular favor, executed, often on a hilltop, and is vindicated and taken up to heaven.

These features are found world wide in heroic myths and epics. The more closely a supposed biography, say that of Hercules, Apollonius of Tyana, Padma Sambhava, of Gautama Buddha, corresponds to this plot formula, the more likely the historian is to conclude that a historical figure has been transfigured by myth.

And in the case of Jesus Christ, where virtually every detail of the story fits the mythic hero archetype, with nothing left over, no "secular," biographical data, so to speak, it becomes arbitrary to assert that there must have been a historical figure lying back of the myth. There may have been, but it can no longer be considered particularly probable, and that's all the historian can deal with: probabilities.

There may have been an original King Arthur, but there is no particular reason to think so. There may have been a historical Jesus of Nazareth, too, but, unlike most of my colleagues in the Jesus Seminar, I don't think we can simply assume there was.

2) Specifically, the passion stories of the gospels strike me as altogether too close to contemporary myths of dying and rising savior gods including Osiris, Tammuz, Baal, Attis, Adonis, Hercules, and Asclepius. Like Jesus, these figures were believed to have once lived a life upon the earth, been killed, and risen shortly thereafter. Their deaths and resurrections were in most cases ritually celebrated each spring to herald the return of the life to vegetation. In many myths, the savior's body is anointed for burial, searched out by holy women and then reappear alive a few days later.

3) Similarly, the details of the crucifixion, burial and resurrection accounts are astonishingly similar to the events of several surviving popular novels from the same period in which two lovers are separated when one seems to have died and is unwittingly entombed alive. Grave robbers discover her reviving and kidnap her. Her lover finds the tomb empty, graveclothes still in place, and first concludes she has been raised up from death and taken to heaven. Then, realizing what must have happened, he goes in search of her. During his adventures, he is sooner or later condemned to the cross or actually crucified, but manages to escape. When at length the couple is reunited, neither, having long imagined the other dead, can quite believe the lover is alive and not a ghost come to say farewell.

There have been two responses to such evidence by apologists. First, they have contended that all these myths are plagiarized from the gospels by pagan imitators, pointing out that some of the evidence is post-Christian 2E But much is in fact preChristian. And it is significant that the early Christian apologists argued that these parallels to the gospels were counterfeits in advance, by Satan, who knew the real thing would be coming along later and wanted to throw people off the track. This is like the desperate Nineteenth-Century attempts of fundamentalists to claim that Satan had created fake dinosaur bones to tempt the faithful not to believe in Genesis! At any rate, and this is my point, no one would have argued this way had the pagan myths of dead and resurrected gods been more recent than the Christian.

Second, in a variation on the theme, C.S. Lewis suggested that in Jesus' case "myth became fact." He admitted the whole business about the Mythic Hero archetype and the similarity to the pagan saviors, only he made them a kind of prophetic charade, creations of the yearning human heart, dim adumbrations of the incarnation of Christ before it actually happened. The others were myths, but this one actually happened.

In answer to this, I think of an anecdote told by my colleague Bruce Chilton, how, staying the weekend at the home of a friend, he was surprised to see that the guest bathroom was festooned with a variety of towels filched from the Hilton, the Ramada Inn, the Holiday Inn, etc. Which was more likely, he asked: that representatives from all these hotels had sneaked into his friend's bathroom and each copied one of the towel designs? Or that his friend had swiped them from their hotels?

Lewis's is an argument of desperation which no one would think of making unless he was hell-bent on believing that, though all the other superheroes (Batman, Captain Marvel, the Flash) were fictions, Superboy was in fact genuine.

3) The New Testament epistles can be read quite naturally as presupposing a period in which Christians did not yet believe their savior god had been a figure living on earth in the recent historical past. Pail, for instance, never even mentions Jesus performing healings and even as a teacher. Twice he cites what he calls "words of the Lord," but even conservative New Testament scholars admit he may as easily mean prophetic revelations from the heavenly Christ. Paul attributes the death of Jesus not to Roman or Jewish governments, but rather to the designs of evil "archon," angels who rule this fallen world. Romans and 1 Peter both warn Christians to watch their step, reminding them that the Roman authorities never punish the righteous, but only the wicked. How they have said this if they knew of the Pontius Pilate story?

The two exceptions, 1 Thessalonians and 2 Timothy, epistles that do blame Pilate or Jews for the death of Jesus, only serve to prove the rule. Both can easily be shown on other grounds to be non-Pauline and later than the gospels.

Jesus was eventually "historicized," redrawn as a human being of the past (much as Samson, Enoch, Jabal, Gad, Joshua the son of Nun, and various other ancient Israelite gods had already been). As a part of this process, there were various independent attempts to locate Jesus in recent history by laying the blame for his death on this or that likely candidate, well known tyrants including Herod Antipas, Pontius Pilate, and even Alexander Jannaeus in the first century BC! Now, if the death of Jesus were an actual historical event well known to eyewitnesses of it, there is simply no way such a variety of versions, differing on so fundamental a point, could ever have arisen!

And if early Christians had actually remembered the passion as a series of recent events, why does the earliest gospel crucifixion account spin out the whole terse narrative from quotes cribbed without acknowledgement from Psalm 22? Why does 1 Peter have nothing more detailed than Isaiah 53 to flesh out his account of the sufferings of Jesus? Why does Matthew supplement Mark's version, not with historical tradition or eyewitness memory, but with more quotes, this time from Zechariah and the Wisdom of Solomon?

Thus I find myself more and more attracted to the theory, once vigorously debated by scholars, now smothered by tacit consent, that there was no historical Jesus lying behind the stained glass of the gospel mythology. Instead, he is a fiction.


Rejoinders:

1) We deem them myths not because of a prior bias that there can be no miracles, but because of the Principle of Analogy, the only alternative to which is believing everything in The National Inquirer. If we do not use the standard of current-day experience to evaluate claims from the past, what other standard is there? And why should we believe that God or Nature used to be in the business of doing things that do not happen now? Isn't God supposed to be the same yesterday, today, and forever?

2) The apologists' claim that there was "too little time between the death of Jesus and the writing of the gospels for legends to develop" is circular, presupposing a historical Jesus living at a particular time. 40 years is easily enough time for legendary expansion anyway, but the Christ-Myth Theory does not require that the Christ figure was created in Pontius Pilate's time, only that later, Pilate's time was retrospectively chosen as a location for Jesus.

a) See Jan Vansina, Oral Tradition as History on the tendency in oral tradition to keep updating mythic foundational events, keeping them always at a short distance, a couple of generations before one's own time.

b) And even if there were a historical Jesus and we knew we had eyewitness reports, the apologists fail to take into account recent studies which show that eyewitness testimony, especially of unusual events, is the most unreliable of all, that people tend to rewrite what they saw in light of their accustomed categories and expectations. Thus Strauss was right on target suggesting that the early Christians simply imagined Jesus fulfilling the expected deeds of messiahs and prophets.

3) It is special pleading to dismiss all similar stories as myths and to insist that this case must be different. If you do this, admit it, you are a fideist, no longer an apologist (if there is any difference!).

Second, the "historical Jesus" reconstructed by New Testament scholars is always a reflection of the individual scholars who reconstruct him. Albert Schweitzer was perhaps the single exception, and he made it painfully clear that previous questers for the historical Jesus had merely drawn self-portraits. All unconsciously used the historical Jesus as a ventriloquist dummy. Jesus must have taught the truth, and their own beliefs must have been true, so Jesus must have taught those beliefs. (Of course, every biblicist does the same! "I said it! God believes it! That settles it!"). Today's Politically Correct "historical Jesuses" are no different, being mere clones of the scholars who design them.

C.S. Lewis was right about this in The Screwtape Letters: "Each 'historical Jesus' is unhistorical. The documents say what they say and cannot be added to." But, as apologists so often do, he takes fideism as the natural implication when agnosticism would seem called for. What he imagines the gospels so clearly to "say" is the mythic hero! When, in his essay, "Modern Theology and Biblical Criticism," Lewis pulls rank as a self-declared expert and denies that the gospels are anything like ancient myths, one can only wonder what it was he must have been smoking in that ever-present pipe of his!

My point here is simply that, even if there was a historical Jesus lying back of the gospel Christ, he can never be recovered. If there ever was a historical Jesus, there isn't one any more. All attempts to recover him turn out to be just modern remythologizings of Jesus. Every "historical Jesus" is a Christ of faith, of somebody's faith. So the "historical Jesus" of modern scholarship is no less a fiction.

Third, Jesus as the personal savior, with whom people claim, as I used to, to have a "personal relationship" is in the nature of the case a fiction, essentially a psychological projection, an "imaginary playmate." It is no different at all from pop-psychological "visualization" exercises, or John Bradshaw's gimmick of imagining a healing encounter with loved ones of the past, or Jean Houston leading Hillary Clinton in an admittedly imaginary dialogue with Eleanor Roosevelt.

I suppose there is nothing wrong with any of this, but one ought to recognize it, as Hillary Clinton and Jean Houston, and John Bradshaw do, as imaginative fiction. And so with the personal savior.

The alternative is something like channeling. You have "tuned in" to the spirit of an ancient guru, named Jesus, and you are receiving revelations from him, usually pretty trivial stuff, minor conscience proddings and the like. Some sort of imaginary telepathy.

In fact I don't believe most evangelical pietists mean anything by "having a personal relationship with Christ" than a fancy, overblown name for reading the Bible and saying their prayers. But if they did really refer to some kind of a "personal relationship," it would in effect be a case of channeling. I suspect this is why fundamentalists who condemn New Age channelers do not dismiss it as a fraud pure and simple (though obviously it is), but instead think that Ramtha and the others are channeling demons. If they said it was sheer delusion, they know where the other four fingers would wind up pointing!

Especially in view of the fact that the piety of "having a personal relationship with Christ" and "inviting him into your heart" is alien to the New Testament and is never intimated there as far as I can see, it is amazing to me that evangelicals elevate it to the shibboleth of salvation! Unless you have a personal relationship with Jesus, buster, one day you will be boiling in Hell. Sheesh! Talk about the fury of a personal savior scorned!

No one ever heard of this stuff till the German Pietist movement of the Eighteenth Century. To make a maudlin type of devotionalism the password to heaven is like the fringe Pentecostal who tells you can't get into heaven unless you speak in tongues. "You ask me how I know he lives?" asks the revival chorus. "He lives within my heart." Exactly! A figment.

Fourth, Christ is a fiction in that Christ functions, in an unnoticed and equivocal way, as shorthand for a vast system of beliefs and institutions on whose behalf he is invoked. Put simply, this means that when an evangelist or an apologist invites you to have faith "in Christ," they are in fact smuggling in a great number of other issues. For example, Chalcedonian Christology, the doctrine of the Trinity, the Protestant idea of faith and grace, a particular theory of biblical inspiration and literalism, habits of church attendance, etc. These are all distinct and open questions. Theologians have debated them for many centuries and still debate them. Rank and file believers still debate them, as you know if you have ever spent time talking with one of Jehovah's Witnesses or a Seventh Day Adventist. If you hear me say that and your first thought is "Oh no, those folks aren't real Christians," you're just proving my point! Who gave Protestant fundamentalists the copyright on the word Christian?

No evangelist ever invites people to accept Christ by faith and then to start examining all these other associated issues for themselves. Not one! The Trinity, biblical inerrancy, for some even anti-Darwinism, are non-negotiable. You cannot be genuinely saved if you don't tow the party line on these points. Thus, for them, "to accept Christ" means "to accept Trinitarianism, biblicism, creationism, etc." And this in turn means that "Christ" is shorthand for this whole raft of doctrines and opinions, all of which one is to accept "by faith," on someone else's say-so.

When Christ becomes a fiction in this sense he is an umbrella for an unquestioning acceptance of what some preacher or institution tells us to believe. And this is nothing new, no mutant distortion of Christianity. Paul already requires "the taking of every thought captive to Christ," already insists on "the obedience of faith." Here Christ has already become what he was to Dostoyevsky's Grand Inquisitor, a euphemism for the dogmatic party line of an institution. Dostoyevsky's point, of course, was that the "real" Jesus stands opposed to this use of his name to sanction religious oppression. But remember, though it is a noble one, Dostoyevsky's Jesus is also a piece of fiction! It is, after all, "The Parable of the Grand Inquisitor."

So, then, Christ may be said to be a fiction in the four senses that 1) it is quite possible that there was no historical Jesus. 2) Even if there was, he is lost to us, the result being that there is no historical Jesus available to us. And 3) the Jesus who "walks with me and talks with me and tells me I am his own" is an imaginative visualization and in the nature of the case can be nothing more than a fiction. And finally, 4) "Christ" as a corporate logo for this and that religious institution is a euphemistic fiction, not unlike Ronald McDonald, Mickey Mouse, or Joe Camel, the purpose of which is to get you to swallow a whole raft of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors by an act of simple faith, short-circuiting the dangerous process of thinking the issues out to your own conclusions."

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