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To: broadstbull who wrote (283633)	4/10/2004 10:19:19 AM
From: redfish	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 436258

Invading and occupying Iraq? $160,000,000,000 Converting one of the few secular arab nations into a hotbed for islamic militancy? Priceless.

To: broadstbull who wrote (283633)	4/10/2004 11:22:33 AM
From: mishedlo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Shia guerrillas raise the stakes by claiming more foreign hostages Iraqi guerrillas claimed to have seized six foreign hostages yesterday as the US saw the anniversary of the overthrow of Saddam Hussein marked by the bloodiest fighting since the end of the war. The US Marines yesterday briefly halted their assault on the city of Fallujah, where at least 280 people have been killed and 400 wounded, so negotiations could take place. But the attack was resumed soon afterwards. Relief supplies sent by sympathisers in Baghdad were turned back by marines. The Minister for Human Rights, Abdul Basit Turki, in effect appointed by the US, resigned yesterday in protest at the methods of the Americans at Fallujah. Adnan Pachachi, a former Iraqi foreign minister and the most respected member of the US-appointed Governing Council, told Arabic television: "These operations were a mass punishment for the people of Fallujah. We consider these operations by the Americans unacceptable and illegal." The siege of Fallujah is giving the anti-US insurgents a popularity they did not possess before. Popular anger has led to more districts in west Baghdad falling under rebel control. The fighting this week has also shown how little the US can rely on the paramilitary Iraqi forces it has been training. In many areas the police have either stayed neutral or joined the rebels. In Kut, the Army of Mehdi simply marched into the police stations, expelled the police and took over their weapons stores. The shaken nerves of the US military and civil leaders in Baghdad were visible yesterday on the anniversary of the day a year ago when the statue of Saddam Hussein was toppled in Fardous Square. Instead of any form of celebration, the US army had sealed off the square with rolls of razor wire. An armoured vehicle with a loudspeaker circled the roundabout announcing that all demonstrations were forbidden and anybody coming to the square with a gun would be shot on sight. The vehicle, as if to make sure that no Iraqi would remain uninsulted, then played loud rock music over its speaker outside the large mosque. news.independent.co.uk ==================================================================== Can we do ANYTHING right? What? We are doing EVERYTHING we possibly can to alienate the moderate Iraqis. Is playing rock music in front of a mosque necessary? Was it smart to stop humanitarian supplies from going to a besieged city? Is this the way to "win their hearts and minds" Mr Bush? Let's consider a comment made by a HAND_PICKED Iraqi Appointed by the US. "We consider these operations by the Americans unacceptable and illegal." That's OUR person saying that! Another of our appointees resigned in protest. They should ALL resign! Mish

To: broadstbull who wrote (283633)	4/10/2004 1:56:30 PM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

RE: "you can start reading things like this" I am, and finding it unconvincing as to the notion that we are in the wrong here. Re: "Iraqis killed nine in an attack on a US fuel convoy, and said they had seized four Italians and two Americans. A Reuters journalist saw two captive foreigners in a mosque in a village in the Abu Gharib district. At the scene of the convoy attack, a dead foreigner lay on the road bleeding from the head as an Iraqi beat him." Perhaps we should leave Iraqi factions to kill each other, with the winner recovering Saddam's "popular glory." Not. The remaining truth is that the majority of Iraqis who "hoped Saddam Hussein’s removal would bring them freedom and a better life" wouldn't like leadership from these murderers. Re: "At the scene of the convoy attack, a dead foreigner lay on the road bleeding from the head as an Iraqi beat him." Rather descriptive as to why we will not simply allow these folks to continue attacking us in their attempt to destroy something which your article confirms most Iraqis want. JMHO Dan B.