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To: Sam who wrote (38874)	4/10/2004 9:54:12 PM
From: frankw1900	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793871

Sam, I don't see why you should expect the GC membersto be unanimous in their view of policy and action. There is the matter of politics. The Sunni members of the Council have to look to their constituency and they're not necessarily looking at long term benefits. On the other hand, they may be trying to stave off future assassination attempts on themselves. Some Iraqis regard these folks' recent statements as pusillanimous. I'd be very suspicious if there waere 100% agreement. More generally, To the degree the Coalition is not positive and straight forward in its behaviour and policy towards the security situation in Iraq, the more it will see personal defection on the part of some council members. These Council members have bsed their political futures and in some cases, their lives, on a successful outcome of the occupation in terms of security, democracy and economic success. Ultimately, the last two depend on reasonable security. Anything that looks like loss of resolve on the part of the Coalition makes them very nervous. And it makes most Iraqis very nervous, also. The main reason the resistance is not even more fierce than it is right now is because (a) everyone knows that we have overwhelming military power, and can take out the whole country if we choose Actually, the resistance is not fiercer because it has very little support amongst most Iraqis. They don't like the terrorists running those shows - they are nasty, tyrannical people who behave just like Saddam. They are afraid of them because they're destructive, murderous people whose basic aim right now is to terrorize Iraqis, not the US. Their international media sideshows are secondary. The atrocities are staged for al Arabia and al Jazeera which are re-broadcast into Iraq. There is definitely an upside to the whole thing if the Coalition clearly defeats these people on this offensive - the terrorist message to the Iraqis is soundly discredited. and (b) there is no consensus on who should take over. There is a consensus on who should not take over: The Sunni and Shiite terrorists running the present uprisings. Of course there's no consensus on who should ultimately form the government. They are at the start of that process. What the coalition and most of its Governing Council council colleagues are aiming at is a caretaker government until they can get elected an Iraqi government which will write a constitution. This what the terrorists want to defeat first, and if it gets to the end of that process, then to defeat the election for the first real government. "You are now fighting an entire nation, from south to north, from east to west, and we advise you to withdraw from Iraq," said Mr Sadr, who is the subject of a coalition arrest warrant. The fighting an entire nation stuff is nonsense. The Coaltion is having too much success for that to be the case. Sadr is the subject of a warrant from an Iraqi judge, not the Coalition. Somehow, the people writng the piece just managed to miss that.

To: Sam who wrote (38874)	4/11/2004 12:27:46 AM
From: D. Long	Respond to of 793871

The Governing Council made the following announcement on the 8th. Four out of 25 members of the GC resigning or suspending their memberships in protest isn't very significant. From the Iraq the Model blog: “Iraqis were delighted to see Saddam’s regime fall; a regime that practiced all kinds of crimes against Iraqis and forced our nation to enter arbitrary wars with the neighbors. We all have asked the international community and the United States in particular to stand with the Iraqi people and to help putting an end for the oppression we suffered from Saddam’s regime policies. Therefore, when the coalition forces –led by the US- destroyed that terrorist regime, they did what the vast majority of Iraqis wanted. But still there are some people who lost some illegal advantages when the regime fell and those will surely stand against the democracy -that Iraqis are working for- and against the coalition forces that helped our people to remove the dictator. If there’s a chance for the Iraqi people to voice their opinion about what they want, will they support terrorism and fascism? Or will they support the true steps taken to secure democracy? If they had this chance we would see the truth, which is certainly with the construction of a democratic nation that allows everyone to work peacefully and to express their points of view freely. What happened in Fallujah days ago is more than a savage crime, mutilating bodies, hanging them from the bridge and dancing around is a horrible, disgusting scene, and no enemy from outside can harm the reputation of this country more than that scene, and it’s really saddening that those terrorists are using civilians houses as shelters. The GC is standing by the side of our people and asks all the decent Iraqis to obey law and preserve order, and they should not let the chaotic insurgents hinder the progress in Iraq towards the goals that Iraqis have always longed for. In the same time we ask the coalition forces to take extreme care to avoid causalities among innocent civilians. The GC stands with our brave Iraqi people and entreats all the honest citizens to stick to law and order and leave no opportunity for the troublemakers to hinder the progress of the country towards achieving the goals that Iraqis have always longed for. And at the same time, the council pleads the coalition to take extra caution measures to minimize the collateral damage so that innocent civilians would not pay the price for the violence they didn’t take part in. If there was few people, whether on determination or out of ignorance, have allowed the trouble makers to act, then there are millions of Iraqi people who stand with law and order against all those who want instability and chaos to prevail. The vast majority of Iraqi people in the north, center and south of Iraq want stability and peace to prevail and stands against all those who are committing illegal actions and spread terror. The GC respects the memorial of the two martyrs (Al-Sadr) God bless their souls, but it refuses that the honorable name of the Sadr family would be used by any part, however close it is to this family, to mess with law and stand against the interests of the Iraqi citizens by spreading chaos and preventing them from practicing their normal daily activities. Today we ‘re facing two dangers, these are terrorism and breaching the law and the new Iraq confirms one identity for Iraq, which is the united federal democratic Iraq. Iraq will never be united if she falls under control of an ignorant fascist dictatorship, while democratic Iraq will give freedom for any person or party to show his opinion and reach the highest positions in a peaceful way once he achieves the majority through free elections. The attempt of a group of people to force their law upon the rest of the Iraqi people is absolutely unaccepted, and if the coalition forces will not interfere to end this situation. Then the forces of the Iraqi people will interfere to stop those people and rid the Iraqis from their evil. The GC stands with democracy and law and will not deal lightly with this dangerous phenomena that threatens the future of Iraq and at the same time, the GC will do all that is possible to prevent the blood shed of innocent people".