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To: twmoore who wrote (3876)	4/10/2004 11:25:55 PM
From: SofaSpud	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 38213

I should apologise for the flippant response, if only because it is a departure from the tone I’ve always tried to maintain in my SI posts. The more adult response would have been to address the question in a methodical manner. What happened to the Jews during the Holocaust? The first third-party account I read was William Shirer’s documentation of the evidence introduced at Nuremburg. The outline is this: the government in power stated as a formal objective the complete elimination of Jews from Europe. Not by emigration, but by murder. Using the full apparatus and resources of the state, they methodically separated Jews from the rest of the population. They tried a number of methods – carbon monoxide poisoning in specially equipped vans; to simple mass shooting; through to gas chambers. At its height, the state chose to devote tremendous resources to this endeavour despite the fact that they were in the midst of a war that they knew would be to the end, which it was. The conventional assessment was that six million souls were lost. Certainly the testimony by Rudolf Hoess, the commandant of Auschwitz, who claimed with some pride that more than one million of these deaths occurred under his direct command, leaves that one camp alone as the most stark examples of hatred and pestilence on the human soul. What happened in Iraq? A nation of some 20 million people suffered under a brutal dictatorship which invaded two countries and launched assaults on two others. Under the dictatorship, opponents of the regime were tortured, disappeared, and were out-and-out murdered. Those deaths number easily in the tens of thousands. The U.S.-led coalition deposed this dictatorship. Yes, people still die in Iraq, and sometimes only because they are caught in a crossfire. Most of the casualties, which number in the tens and the hundreds (not millions) are people who support the concept of dictatorship, and arguably seek to replace the fallen one with their own. Your comment rather suggests that the Americans are bent on extermination. Surely if that were the case a couple of surplus nukes could have done the job, easily, without the cost of any lives among coalition troops. Moreover, surely the Nazis left a blueprint for a far more efficient regime if extermination were the goal, rather than what the coalition is doing there now.

To: twmoore who wrote (3876)	4/10/2004 11:38:18 PM
From: SofaSpud	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 38213

There is a thousand years of precedent for going after the Jews. For whatever reason, the Jews have been a target, always. In this instance, it was made clear that the Palestinian cause had spilled over into Canada. Every bit as much as the violence that accompanied Netenyahu's aborted speech at Corcordia. Canadians hold dear the concept of free speech. The mob at Concordia denied free speech. The mob was Palestinian. Hence we have imported an ethos antithetical.