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To: Cogito Ergo Sum who wrote (11746)	4/13/2004 5:20:35 AM
From: zonder	Respond to of 110194

Why would this time be different ? Because (1) the American nation is no longer OK with its state determining other nations' fates (like in Chile, for example), and (2) in the "information age", news travel VERY fast and it is no longer possible to keep Americans ignorant about what their administration is doing in their name. We recommend, in the second place that the unity of Mesopotamia be preserved... And the Southern Kurds and Assyrians might well be linked up with Mesopotamia Since "Assyria" and "Assyrians" is no longer an ethnic, political, cultural etc entity, that statement (from 1919) and its link is kind of outdated and not really relevant. And the Kurds ? I hope they wise up... They deserve a break They look pretty wisened up to me. They got the deal to keep their "autonomy", they are one inch from getting Musoul and Kirkuk, and they are keeping really low and being the good kids while Sunnis and Shiites are screaming for American blood. And as for the link you have posted: http://www.ozgurluk.org/hrights/kurds.html There is a human rights problem in Turkey, rather than a Kurdish rights problem. The torture, etc that Kurds get for speaking their minds is no different than the torture, etc that Turks get for the same "crime". It is favouritism to feel sorry just for the Kurds. This example is from the website you posted. And these kids are Turkish, not Kurdish: ozgurluk.org One exception to this equal suffering of Turks and Kurds was the war zone in SouthEast Turkey, with Kurdish majority, where villages were being evacuted, people shooting each other, etc where the terrorist organization PKK ("Workers Party of Kurdistan" or something) was fighting the Turkish military, in hopes of a separate Kurdish (and communist) state. You may have noticed that those reports are a bit old - From 1996, 1994, etc. That is probably why... Then Ocalan, the leader of PKK, was captured and PKK declared ceasefire. The "war" was over and the region started moving towards a more normal lifestyle (i.e. less brutal, if you will). A lot of restrictions (like curfews etc) were lifted, and Kurds in particular got the rights they wanted (and deserved, imho) like education and broadcasting in their own language. By the way, the website you have linked to is a communist one (yes, that is the problem with Google - you don't really know what you get :-) If you look at www.ozgurluk.com, you will see the "1 Mayis albumu" (Photo album of 1 May "celebrations"), May 1st being the workers' day, of course. On the right, dated 10.04.04, there is an article about "Amerikan emperyalizmi... panikte" ("American imperialism... in panic". Further down, there is a piece of "news" titled "Americans are shooting at anyone they see on the streets!" (of Iraq). So... hmm... I am not sure about the value of this website as a source of information :-) Besides those must be the 'bad' Kurds... It was the 'good' ones that Saddam gassed. That's why he's bad (and yes he is bad irrespective of Kurds) and the Turks are good (well aren't they ?) and deserving of your help. They would never ever hurt 'good' Kurds Granted Kurds in Turkey had a bad period, let us not forget who opened the borders to let tens of thousands of Kurds in when they were running from the lethal gasses of Saddam. Besides, US has been helping Turkey all through the period when the human rights abuses were at a peak, and will do so now and in the foreseable future, NOT because they are "good and deserving" your help, but because US needs Turkey as an ally - given its geopolitical position, and its unique status as a secular country with 99% Muslim population. Besides I think they still have a few Armenians left to kick around... I lived a couple of years in Istanbul and got to meet a number of Armenians whose families have been there since generations. They were quite well to do, and not being kicked around at all. I guess what I am trying to say is that Googling stuff is all fine and good, but relying on some fringe websites as a source of information might not help one get the big picture. Not that I expect what I have said above to change anyone's view on anything...