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To: jlallen who wrote (42452)	4/13/2004 7:24:52 AM
From: Harvey Allen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

<font color=red>jlallen, are you a paid basher?</font> Today I want to come clean about something I feel very badly about. I cannot undo some of the things I have done, but hopefully this message will prevent other such occurrences in the future. I am a paid basher. Yes, it is true. Today is my last day at this company; I’m moving on to a new job. But before I go, I want to explain a few things because this just isn’t right and I won’t feel good about myself until I expose this sham. It’s hurt too many people and I don’t want it on my conscience anymore. I can no longer live with a lie. I work for a company called Franklin, Andrews, Kramer & Edelstein in Stamford, CT. Basically, it’s a Boiler Room much like the one in the movie of the same name. The idea behind my group is to bash the price of a company’s stock down low enough to where the group of investors who retained our company’s services can buy the stock really cheap and perhaps even take it over all together. There are approximately 70 people at the company divided into several groups. My group, consisting of 5 people, is responsible for BIFS. While I probably shouldn’t give any names of anyone working here now, what the heck, I’m leaving here, so what can they do – sue me? Ha! I can tell you that GUTTWRENCH was part of my group until he left last week, as was Richardphx. Others who have been part of this include early bashers like Epiphonics and Simontaz. You may be interested to know that some hypsters, such as Amato7 and BIFWATCHER, have also been part of the scam (more on that later). There are several companies engaged in the bashing business – ours is not the only one. However, I can tell you that not every basher in here is a paid basher. Having done this for two years, I can usually tell who is a paid basher and who is merely someone having a little fun. While unpaid bashers have a different motive than someone like me, they can be unwilling accomplices to helping me achieve my ultimate goal and they also spread rumor and confusion throughout a room, which also helps me. What is that goal? Well, I am merely a cog in a much larger machine, so my bosses never really explained the big picture to me, but I’d say essentially, GUTTWRENCH was right. There are several companies who are quite familiar with SWOMI and who are deathly afraid of it. There are three types of bashers here at Franklin, Andrews, Kramer & Edelstein: Advanced, Intermediate and Beginner. An Advanced-level basher (also known as a Silver Tongued Devil) would spread false or misleading information about the company. They would deal in facts, countering every longs post with articles, news reports and opinion surveys that gave a negative impression about the company. An Intermediate-level basher (also known as a Serpent) would try to weasel their way into the confidence of longs and create doubt using rumor or innuendo. Finally, a Beginner-level basher (also known as a Pitchfork) would attempt to create confusion in the room by distracting other posters with satire, name calling and pointless arguments. The idea was to make sure no serious discussion of the stock could take place. A Pitchfork was usually a basher, but not always. Sometimes, we would throw in a hypster Pitchfork such as Amato7 or BIFSWATCHER to create the illusion of an argument going on. What was really funny (in a perverse way, I guess) was that Amato7 and I sat next to each other, laughing the whole time. <<<Notice the Beginner Baher comments about pointless arguements. Melsdutchworld anyone?? finance.messages.yahoo.com

To: jlallen who wrote (42452)	4/13/2004 11:28:01 AM
From: lurqer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

re. "With only two journalists there that I'd read and heard reports from, I felt pulled to go and witness the atrocities that were surely being committed." Your response was So much for objective journalism..... If there had been no journalists, perhaps your comment would have been warranted, but only perhaps. When an assault like Fallujah occurs, atrocities take place. It's called war. But because the journalists in Fallujah were able to send out pictures, there was little doubt left. Why do you think the American commanders major demand at the cease fire negotiations, was the expulsion of the TV journalists.? None of the enlisted men, NCOs nor officers I know from the US military would knowingly participate in a slaughter of innocents.... I suppose it was Iraqis that shot ambulance drivers, and their own women and children. The bullet holes are there. Someone pulled the trigger. Your thesis lacks credulity, and you know it. I find it disturbing to contemplate that Americans, in my name, are doing these things. I suspect many others feel the same way. I also suspect this is why the prro-war lobby screams so loudly in denial, and the CPA wants to eliminate the proof by silencing the messengers. JMO lurqer